What's Wrong with My Gut?

What’s Wrong With My Gut? [Podcast Episode #062]

Have you ever noticed that you just don't feel well after eating certain foods? Okay, I guess you can expect to feel a little queasy after eating at a greasy burger joint, but does it ever happen after you've eaten "healthy" foods?

Or maybe you notice a change in the way your body handles some of your favourite meals - What once made you feel great now doesn't sit so well?

Your body is evolving. What fuelled it well 10 years ago is NOT likely what will fuel it best today. Here's what you can do when food (even healthy food) doesn't agree with your gut...

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What's Wrong With My Gut? [Full Text]

Dave: Hey, thanks so much for joining me in this episode of the Make Your Body Work Podcast. As you know, this show is all about helping you live a healthier and happier life. I just want to thank you for taking a few minutes out of your day to invest in your health.

Today we're going to be talking about some issues that I'd like to say the vast majority of people, if not, everyone who's in this audience right now is going to be able to relate to on some level and my guest, man, she has some amazing tips. Some really great insight that I know I learned a lot from and I hope you will as well. Let's dive right in with a question from Farrah.

Farrah says, "I'd like to say that I have a pretty healthy diet but over the past four to five years I've had significant digestive issues that have forced me to change the way I eat. Some healthy foods that I used to love eating like many raw vegetables and even some cooked ones just don't sit well with my stomach. My stomach gets quite bloated and painful after eating many foods I wish I could still eat. It's annoying because I used to be fine but now I feel like I have to be so careful all the time. Sometimes I just don't feel like eating anything because I'd rather not deal with the pain. Strangely enough, some other foods like bread are fine so I end up eating more of those than I'd like. Do you have any suggestions? Does this sound like IBS or something else?"

Farrah, I just want to say thanks for writing in because I hear from audience members all the time that are talking about similar sorts of issues going on in their life talking about foods being reactive, bloating, pain like you mentioned, not being able to figure out what diet works for them. I personally can relate as well. You probably heard me talk about this on the show a number of times but I went through years of digestive issues just like you're talking about and actually some other members my family has as well. It's a process.

It can be so frustrating trying to figure out what will work so I'm really excited because today I have an amazing guest and her claim to fame is being able to take these little clues or take little pieces of puzzle and she's really great at putting them together to figure out what's going on and what we can do about it. Without further ado, I like to introduce to you Morella Devost.

Meet Morella Devost

Dave: Hey, Morella. Thanks so much for joining us today.

Morella: My pleasure.

Dave: I'm excited to have you today. I was on your website just reading a little bit more about what you do and who you work with. You came highly recommended from a colleague of ours and I want to find out a little bit more about you and you said something that was really cool in your website. Let me quote this, you said, "I have a crazy knack for connecting the dots between all of the seemingly unrelated issues and facts of your life." Can you tell us about that?

Morella: I know, it's so funny, that is my super power. Yeah, a lot of times we have all of this training, in my case I've got a master's degree in counseling and certification, nutrition coaching and I'm a certified hypnotherapist and all of these things but sometimes we have these super powers.

Mine is I'm a distiller of information and so my clients come with these really, really big perplexing issues and for some reason out there in the universe I see all of the links and I'm able to tie things together and I process it back and share it with my clients. They are like, "Oh my god, you're right. That's exactly what it is." It's just one of these things. I don't know where it comes from.

Dave: In the work we do, that is a pretty awesome super power to have.

Morella: Yeah, it was reflected back to me a while ago and then just recently again a very streamed colleague and friend, she said to me, "Morella, you just have a way of taking everything in and then assimilating it and then you blurt it back and it's just like this diamond of an insight," I'm like, "Oh, cool. Thank you for that."

Dave: I'm excited to have you then because I get questions like today is a perfect example but I get questions for the show all the time of people saying, "Okay, I read this and I heard this and this is how I feel and then this happened and I have all these different pieces and there's so much information out there." Almost as information overload or stimulus overload and people are stuck all the time. Do you see that in your practice as well?

Morella: Oh my gosh, yeah all the time. I hesitate a little bit in using the word stuck because I like to use the word challenged. We all face these challenges and many times we feel like we're stuck but it's just matter of finding the right lever or tool but a big reason for why we find ourselves facing these challenges over and over again I think it's for one is you're alluding to. There's just an overabundance of information and we just have such easy access to so much that we can really get kind of the deer in the headlights syndrome where we just feel paralyzed.

We start one avenue and then off a little bit down that avenue, it's not working so we change avenues and we did all these little holes everywhere but we don't stick with one particular thing long enough sometimes, I see some of that.

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The other thing, particularly in my work that is the heart of my work, the juice that I love to dive into is that 90% of our lives are one, from the programs and patterns in our subconscious and so a lot of the stuff that's running us we're not aware of. The habits that form from childhood and growing up and I'm sure you see that a lot.

I'll see beliefs that we grow up with and beliefs that get strengthened through our lifespan. There are a lot of things underlying or undermining our best efforts that can sometimes keep us from making the progress we think we should be making. Do you know what I'm talking about? Is this making sense?

The Programs and Patterns In Our Subconscious Mind

Dave: Yeah, it totally does. I really like that idea you talked about sort of things that we grew up with because we don't know what we don't know and as an adult there are things that have influenced your life and my life and all the listeners' lives that we just don't know. I say this all the time, I have all these coaches on the show here, it really is important to work with someone else who can reflect that back to you because that in partial outside third party can sometimes look at any of our lives and say, "Hey, did you ever noticed this?" It's like, "Whoa, I've lived almost 40 years and had no idea."

Morella: Right. You know, I could tell you one of my favorite examples right now, a current client just to give you an idea of how these things sometimes show up, this is a client who came to work with me because she has multiple sclerosis.

A lot of the people that I get to work with who I really love are people who are facing some pretty serious challenges. Everybody's telling them, "You're going to have this for the rest of your life, this is not going to go away. You just have to deal with it." Just a taste for how the things that we grew up with can show up in health issues in a multitude of ways.

The things we grew up believing can affect our health many years, or decades, later.

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A beautiful client of mine, she's in her early 30's and from really, really early childhood she remembers one of her earliest memories was that she was really upset as a toddler and she was crying and her mother didn't know what was happening. She couldn't help her and so her mother just turned around and left the room and left her there. This happens with toddlers all the time and parenting is really hard.

That experience got compounded through her life where in that moment she said, "I started to believe that there was something wrong with me." Then there was so many instances in her childhood with her mother and with teachers, then she started to be the girl who got pulled from class and she didn't know why.

The girl that was always getting the message there's something wrong with you. She has now started to realize that that belief that there's something wrong with her has been the underlying silent scenes throughout her life so when in her late 20's she got diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.

She was like, "Aha, see, I knew it." She had been for many years finding like, “This must be wrong. There must be something wrong with me. There must be something wrong with me." Eventually her body proved her right. This is one way in which sometimes our patterns and our beliefs can show up in really big ways. That's just one of the most dramatic examples that I could share. I could give you other examples but I'll turn over to you.

Dave: That's such a neat story. It's inspiring when you hear someone that comes with the other side and finds what the root cause is of this dissatisfaction or feeling unwell or whatever it is. For a lot of people, they go through life feeling unwell and having that underlying thought that there is something wrong and like we talked about, there's so many different avenues to fall with there with all these information. It's easy just to jump at one and jump at the next and never really dive down deep enough to figure out what the problem is.

Morella: Yeah, I think on many circumstances we stay at a surface level. I'm sure you see this too. You stay at the surface level of trying to eat a little better or count your calories and that you'd notice it leaves you at a surface level. In her case, taking medications which of course she started was just addressing the surface level and not going deeper into well why is your body expressing what it is expressing.

Why is your body obese or why is your body showing up rheumatoid arthritis or Crohn's disease or multiple sclerosis? What's happening here? Even though everything I'm saying can sound really esoteric, I love, I always go back to science.

We have the science that proves all of these things. We have the geneticist working in the epigenetics field where epigenetics is not for people who don't know this. Epigenetics is the field where geneticist are proving that it's not that you have a gene for obesity or you may well have a gene for obesity. It's not that you have a gene for Alzheimer's or for multiple sclerosis or whatever.

You may have those genes but whether those genes get turned on or off is a product of the environment and that's what the epi means. Epigenetics is the environment surrounding your genes that determines gene expression. What is that environment? It's the food you eat, it's the emotions that you're experiencing, the beliefs that you have.

Obviously, your stress levels, all of the things that create the environment around you and inside your body, the environment in which your genes live determines which genes get turned on or off. We have, I wouldn't say perfect control but we certainly have a lot of control over that environment. As you know, you can turn on anti-inflammatory expression of your genes.

Nature vs. Nurture: Am I Doomed?

Dave: That's going to be a very motivating and inspiring message but also maybe we'll raise some questions because you and I we both meet clients all the time who will say things like, "I'm genetically predisposed to being overweight," or, "My mom was overweight, my grandma was overweight so I'm going to be overweight." What do you say to someone who does have that lineage of whatever the health issue is?

Morella: It's perfect conversation to have and I have it all the time. It goes back to the nature versus nurture conversation. Is it the gene that determines are you essentially doomed if genetics were the only thing then essentially a 100% of the people with that gene would have it. It would mean that a 100.

I could look at, I have the gene for heart disease. If genetic expression were the only thing, if you have a 100% of the people in my family will have it because we all have the same gene. The nurture piece which is also really and this is where epigeneticist and even stem cell biologist for people who would love to learn more about this, I highly recommend Bruce Lipton's books.

Bruce Lipton is a stem cell biologist and he talks about precisely that with all of the science behind it and he says, "The nurture piece is that if your mom has a gene for obesity and then you do all of the things that your mom did."

Obviously you grew up in the house hold with your mom and you're probably eating all the same food, you became habituated to those food, you developed emotional attachments and bonds with those foods. Also, strengthen the belief that because your mother is obese, you're also going to be obese. You have all of the nurture factors that are going to make that gene turn on. The presence of the gene itself isn't the determining factor.

In Bruce Lipton's book there's an incredible picture, it's that so compelling there's genetic twins of two mice. Two mice were genetic twins and one mouse was planted in the utero of its birth mother. It has these obesity gene and so it grew up in the utero of the genetic mother.

The other twin was implanted in the utero of another mother with a different diet, not that gene so genetically these two mice were different but when they were born, the mouse raised in the womb of the other with that gene was obese the other one was not. It wasn't the gene that determined whether the mouse was obese, that was the upbringing. In this case, the uterine upbringing. Does that make sense?

Dave: Yeah, completely. We see that anecdotally you can see that with identical twins, human identical twins as well. I know I shared a story with my followers, this was couple of months ago about two sisters who are now in their 40's and both were athletes growing up, both were very skinny, ectomorph sort of build growing up and then after they had kids, one of the sisters put on a whole lot of weight to the point where she was obese and the other stayed lean and trim.

In talking to them I interviewed them about this, "What did you do differently?" It was 100% lifestyle choices. I completely agree. Now, this is like a whole another topic. I feel like I need to have you back and we'll talk about genetics and the influence that has over our health conditions but it does lend itself well to Farrah's question today because she talks about digestive issues that she's been having for a long time.

Like we're talking about sounds like she is trying to make some changes but maybe is like self-diagnosed. She talked about IBS, she's saying, "What can I do? I'm missing out on eating some of these healthy foods." When you read that question, did you think of clients that you've worked with in a similar position? What were your thoughts?

Are You Dealing with IBS or Crohn's Disease? 

Morella: Yeah, absolutely. I'm just pulling up her question, I'm going to mention a couple of the things that she said. She used to love eating raw vegetables and even some cooked ones but now they don't sit well with her stomach and she feels quite bloated and painful. She's wondering if she has IBS. When I read that, one of the things that was really key that she said actually two more things that she said was really key.

Some other foods that strangely enough are fine are things like bread so she ends up eating more of those which we try not to do, right? Eat more veggies instead of bread so it's counter-intuitive and then she also said something like, "I sometimes don't feel like eating anything because I don't want to deal with the pain."

That was a big red flag for me. Of course I'm not trying to diagnose anyone because digestive issues can be pretty complex to diagnose. What I do when I work with people with digestive issues I would give them a really lengthy questionnaire and it wasn't one that I created that I just came up with.

It's really well-documented and so we can identify is it an upper digestive issue, say, esophagus and stomach? Is it a middle digestive like pancreas, liver health, small intestine or is it colon like lower digestive issue? There are different symptoms or different things to look for.

Some things crossed boundaries and all of that so I'm not really wanting to diagnose anyone but this comment that she sometimes doesn't feel like eating because of the pain, I have seen it's pretty common in people with Crohn's disease where the pain is so significant that they really feel like they want to stop eating.

The raw foods, the fiber foods causing pain and bloating, that can also be a symptom of Crohn's disease where for people who don't know Crohn's, it's an auto immune condition and essentially creates ulcers and they can be along different parts of the intestine and has different names depending on where it is.

Eating fiber foods I sometimes tell my clients, imagine if you have an open sore like an ulcer and then you put a loofah through, that's pretty painful, right? It's like, "Aw," you get that immediate reaction like, “Yeah, I get that.” Then you choose some soft bread and you put that through and that goes through fine. That’s one example of something that it could be Crohn’s disease and I really hoped that it’s not Crohn’s disease for her.

Also things like diverticulitis, people might have trouble with fiber, there are a variety of things. From the things that she was saying it didn’t sound to me like it was IBS, the classic symptoms of IBS are explosive diarrhea like you can’t be away from a bathroom further than 20 feet from a bathroom because you’re afraid you might not make it if the urge comes, that sort of terror.

People start to feel like their life is really restricted. I had a client who said, “I used to love going on walks with my husband and I can’t go on walks anymore because I don’t want to be anywhere that’s I’m not 15 feet from a bathroom.” It’s almost like a temperamental colon it feels like you might feel fine. There is a lot of bloating typically.

Sometimes people go from that explosive diarrhea to constipation that kind of swing back and forth. They’re different. What I typically do with everyone as I mentioned before first we do kind of a thorough questionnaire, “What is your body telling you?” because when we start to pay attention and ask the right questions we can get really good information from the body.

Then we can support the body in different ways with some supplements, they’re like a key digestive juices. We need enzymes and we need acids and we need probiotics or live bacteria and we need the right kind of fiber.

What Can You Do About Your Digestive Issues?

We can work with all of these different things but the important piece for Farrah and for anybody dealing with digestive issues I should say two important things. One is most people need to go through an elimination diet where you just essentially take everything out, all of the usual suspects and a lot of the things that are unusual like fiber foods.

There are a couple different paths to that, one is the gaps diet, G-A-P-S. The other one is SCD, specific carbohydrate diet. Different protocols but they kind of go in a similar direction where you eliminate everything, you get to the very basic, a very, very basic diet that produces no symptoms. It might be like I call it like a baby food diet, imagine that you’re a baby again and you can’t digest anything.

We give your digestive system a little support through certain supplements and maybe even herbs, herbal teas can be really, really helpful for the digestive tract. We eliminate.

Then we rebuild. We can talk a little bit about rebuilding if you’d like then we rebuild for a while, a few weeks, maybe a couple of months. We start to see how things are going and then we might add things one by one back again adding the offending foods one by one and then we see how things are going.

That’s one piece. The second piece is the huge, huge emotional component that goes a little bit to the first part of our conversation, “What’s in the background?” A lot of people especially with digestive issues, a lot of people don’t realize that there are more nervous system cells lining our digestive tract than there are in our brain and spine, that’s a lot.

Dave: Wow.

Morella: That’s where people feel a lot of emotion in their gut, you get that gut feeling, people feel stress in their stomach. IBS, almost everybody who has IBS notices that there’s an emotional component to their IBS.

For me in my experience it’s been intrinsic to helping someone heal their digestive tract, it’s been critical to look at what are the emotions that are being held in the gut, what are the undigested emotions, if you will, that are still there for some people, it’s grief.

I had a client who when we realized it he had grief and anger exploding in his intestines. He was doing incredibly on the rebuilding diet, he was feeling amazing, his pain was nearly disappearing, his complexion was different and then we hit on the undigested, unprocessed grief and anger.

All of a sudden he said to me, “I feel a million pounds lighter,” and he was also overweight and he started losing weight and all of that. Started realizing and really feeling the healing accelerate as he looked at the emotional component underneath it.

We used the food as the basic foundation for healing because food and supplements have all the building blocks the body needs to heal but then when we look at the “Why was your …” in addition to the food maybe you were eating a bad diet but a bad diet doesn’t necessarily alone give you Crohn’s disease, right.

Healthy foods have ALL the elements your body needs to heal and to stay healthy.

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You probably had the gene and then somebody else triggered it, something else triggered it. We look at those emotions and the beliefs and the wounds or the memories that create like an Achilles heel in your gut or wherever it is showing up in your body.

It Takes Work - Is It Worth The Effort?

Dave: It’s interesting when you’re talking about the process of working through any of these issues and you talked about an elimination diet and that alone it’s work and it is painful. It’s time consuming and it’s inconvenient and then you started to talk about the emotions and the psyche and all these different components.

As I’m hearing this I’m thinking there’s probably a lot of listeners even Farrah, if you’re listening, that will listen to that and be like, “Okay, I don’t have time to do that.” One other thing that I wanted to point out, you told a story of a client you work with IBS and she said she can’t go for walks with her husband anymore.

That alone, that’s a good example of why it is worth it because we quite often start to forget what it was like before these digestive issues crapped in. We start to forget, “This is what I used to do and what I used to like,” and even Farrah when she’s talking about eating bread now instead of vegetables.

Those sort of lifestyle changes to accommodate digestive issues can precipitate into other issues such as you mentioned weight gain. If you’re not exercising because your gut feels awful and you’re only eating soft foods like bread, what’s going to happen? I guess I just want to say to everyone I know it sounds like work but Morella is talking about right now it is worth it, think a little bit of longer term.

Morella: Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, it does sound like work at first and it’s especially work, I mean this can be massively overwhelming if you think you have to figure it out on your own. Doing it on your own, I mean for all of us trying to do something and you know this, right?

Trying to lose weight on your own is hard enough and when you try to do these things on your own they can feel really daunting. It doesn’t have to daunting and I really emphasize to taking baby steps, we just take baby steps.

Every step we just do a baby step that feels really doable and especially fun so we can make it even fun. Making these massive changes we make them fun. Just as I mentioned one of my superpowers is being this massive distiller of information. My other superpower is making things that seem challenging fun.

Dave: I’m very interested to see. Where are you going with this? How can you make fixing digestive issues fun? Honestly give us an example.

Morella: I help people get excited for example with apple sauce. When your diet gets really, really limited you have to find the joy in something else. Instead of focusing on what you can’t eat, let’s focus on what you can eat and let’s make it delicious. Your food has to be delicious, just because you’re eating a restricted diet doesn’t mean that you have to be miserable. We can make it delicious, we can make it fun.

We can have fun with smoothies when you have digestion that isn’t working so well, let’s make smoothies, let’s get into apple sauces, let’s make bone broth, that’s really good. I’m a master for creating vegetable soups that are easy to digest and easily absorb-able and full of nutrients.

All of these things where it’s like, okay, let’s bring some joy and life into something that feels otherwise like, you know, hard work. I don’t want it to feel like hard work because the other thing too and you probably see this as well.

Doing something that you hate rarely yields the same results as doing something you enjoy. How can you enjoy the process of change?

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If you’re on a treadmill and you’re hating it, you’re not going to have as good result as if you’re just having fun playing around with kids or your friends or going on a hike that’s filling you with energy. Let’s find the joy and the excitement even into the thing that seems difficult and work.

I don’t give people homework, I give them playlist, “Here’s your playlist, let’s play with this today. How else are we going to play?” and when life is feeling really down and dull and heavy it’s like, “How do we add more joy, more playfulness, more lightness into your life?” Because guess what when you’re feeling joyful and playful and light and at peace, your body is in a place where it can actually heal.

Dave: That message, I love that message, it’s making it light and playful. It’s just reframing it. You’re still doing the same work, you’re still going to get to the same result but to just reframe it as a positive as opposed to a burn.

Morella: Yeah, exactly. Going back to the woman who couldn’t go out on walks with her husband and they were both retiring. We started doing the whole kind of diet food piece, she started feeling a little better and the deeper we went into the work her life was opening back up to her again. I can still remember the day when she sent me an email, “I went for a walk yesterday.”

Dave: That’s so cool.

Morella: Yeah, and months later, I remember for Christmas one day she moved out of the state and every so often I hear from her and she sent me a Christmas present with a card and I still have the card and she said, “You forever changed my life and I will always, always remember you.” Because she got her life back and they retired and they got a beautiful home in North Carolina and they were going on hikes and walks and adventures and she wasn’t worried about the bathroom anymore.

You were pointing out to the fact that it’s so worth it and the journey from here to there doesn’t need to be painful, it can also be fun, it has to be fun or it’s not going to be sustainable.

Make Your Body Work Takeaway

Dave: I completely agree and I know a lot of people are going to be listening to this and particularly when you share that story and are probably feeling pretty motivated, “Okay, if she can do it, I can do it.” We like to wrap up the show with what’s called a Make Your Body Work Take Away and that’s a perfect segue into the segment. From everything we talked about, we talked about diagnosis, we talked about elimination diets, we talked about connecting with past experiences, what’s going on our head. There's a lot we just covered. Where can people start? What’s one thing they can do today to get on that path towards healing?

Morella: Oh my gosh. The number one thing because it’s so overlooked and so undervalued is rest and quiet. We live such busy lives and we’re constantly buzzing from one thing to the next and now with smartphones and tablets we think that being on Facebook is rest and it’s really not.

Rest and quiet is where your nervous system can help get your body into the place where it can lose weight, they can balance your hormones, it can heal your intestines, all of these things. In order for them to happen you need to rest.

Dave: Now, I know whenever I talked about sleep on the show or with any clients it sounds so much easier than it is actually put into practice. Do you have a strategy or a parameter that people can use to know if they’re getting enough rest or to help them get better rest?

Morella: I’ve worked on this myself because like you said it’s hard one to implement. Going to bed earlier and earlier I started setting an alarm clock to go to bed. I did some for a while. Yeah, it’s like, “Okay, it’s time to go to bed,” and when I started noticing that if I fall asleep before 10 my sleep is far, far deeper.

If you’re asleep by 10, your sleep before midnight is going to be far deeper than if you fall asleep at 11:30 or midnight. I think once people started doing that experiment they’ll notice it, that’s the first, getting to bed early.

The second thing, I got from Dr. Mercola where he said obviously so many of us are sleep deprived that it takes a while to find how much is the right amount of sleep. The best way is to sleep without an alarm clock and see how many hours do you need and that’s a hard one to find when you need to get up to get the kids to school and get to work and that sort of thing. It starts by shutting things down earlier and trying to be in bed.

My first step I actually should go back … My first step before the alarm clock was horizontal by 10, when I was horizontal by 10 I started noticing like, “Oh, I’m sleeping better,” and then I did for a little while set an alarm clock to go to bed, be kind of wrap everything up at 9.

Dave: Putting those together into one plan I think really makes a lot of sense too. If someone were to start going to bed by 10 each night and then not setting the alarm clock that’ll probably tell a pretty clear story. I could just imagine some of the listeners thinking, “Okay, I’ll go to bed at midnight and not set my alarm and see what happens,” and they might wake up at the same. They always wake up at 6 or whatever and that doesn’t necessarily mean they need six hours sleep.

Morella: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, and what’s fascinating is that when I’m asleep at 10, I’m starting to wake up by 5 and feeling super refreshed and I love it because then I’m really super productive at 5.

Start By Activating Your Genes

Dave: The rest of the world is asleep, you can be productive. Morella, you're full of just great information now, I know that there’s going to be a lot of listeners who want to connect with you and learn more about you. You actually are gracious enough to provide a really neat resource called Activating Your Genes.

Morella: Yes, Activating Your Genes For Healing, yeah.

Dave: Can you talk about this a little bit?

Morella: Yeah, this is going back to that the epigenetics information, the research, the science of epigenetics that says we actually have a lot of control over what our genes are doing and we can activate our body for healing.

What this is it’s essentially a workbook and a class where I walk people through the exercises of looking at what’s going on and what are the tools they can start to use or look for to help them activate the environment that fosters healing.

Dave: I think so many people are going to be interested in that and hopefully Farrah is listening and she can check it out as well. This is a free resource, correct?

Morella: Absolutely.

Dave: In the show notes for the listeners I’ll put a link so that you can go and sign up for it yourself. If you go to makeyourbodywork.com/62, that’s today’s episode and in the show notes I’ll have a link directly to the Activate Your Genes For Healing resource. Morella, if anyone had any questions for you or wants to find out more about your work and other resources you provide, what’s the way for them to connect with you?

Morella: Through my website it’s really easy, they can contact me directly through there and I respond within the day. That’s probably the easiest way.

Dave: Cool, and it’s thrivewithmorella.com and again I’ll put in the show notes makeyourbodywork.com/62. Morella, again thanks so much, you’ve been an amazing guest and I know are going to inspire a lot of people who are listening and hopefully lead people on that sort of first step towards healing.

Morella: Thank you, Dave. Thank you so much for having me on your podcast, it was such a delight to chat with you.

Dave: Thanks again Morella, for joining us today and for sharing a little bit of advice about what we can do when it comes to diagnosing some of our digestive issues and what we can do to help work through those problems when we do know what’s going on. For the audience I really encourage you to go to this episode of Make Your Body Work podcast, you can get there by going to makeyourbodywork.com/62 and in the show notes I put a link directly to Morella’s free course it’s called How To Activate Your Genes For Healing.

As you just learned from hearing Morella talk she’s passionate about this subject, she’s a wealth of knowledge and I really believe that she’ll be able to help you out work through your own issues as well. Be sure to check that out. Thanks again for joining me on this show today and as always if you have questions about any topic related health fitness, wellness, improving your happiness, any of those areas, email me anytime. I love getting the variety of questions, it’s awesome. Sometimes I start to think, I wonder if we’re going to run out of topics for our future shows and you never disappoint me, it’s awesome.

All the questions that come in so please email me anytime it’s dave@makeyourbody.com and I’ll personally respond to all of those emails and hopefully your question will be a future episode for the show. Please be in touch and then I have a favor to ask before you go today, can you please go to makeyourbodywork.com/itunes and that’ll just take you to the show on the iTunes Store and just leave a rating or a comment about the show. It literally take one minute and it’s really helpful to me to get some feedback from you to help me shape the show for future episodes.

This is important, it’ll help others find out about the show so that they can ask their questions and that they can get the help and the advice and the guidance that they need as well when it comes to living a healthier, happier life. Again, that’s makeyourbodywork.com/itunes, it’ll take one minute out of your day, I check all the comments myself and I really, really appreciate it. That’s it for today and as always I can’t wait to see you here again next week.

Thanks for joining me today!

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