Inflammation from food

Is Your Food Causing Inflammation? [Podcast Episode #109]

You might have been hearing a lot of buzz about "inflammation" in the health world these days. It's a hot topic that can often be confusing, even misleading. Let's make things more clear...

Inflammation is part of the body's immune response.

It can be beneficial when, for example, you cut yourself and your body's tissue needs care and protection. However, sometimes inflammation can persist longer than necessary, causing more harm than good.

Chronic inflammation can cause all sorts of body malfunction and disease. Here are just a few: 

  • Asthma
  • Chronic peptic ulcer
  • Tuberculosis
  • Rheumatoid arthritis
  • Periodontitis
  • Ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease
  • Sinusitis
  • Active hepatitis

And, on top of all of that, chronic inflammation can cause increased weight-gain and an inability to lose weight.

That's a lot of bad news, but there is hope. Let's take a look at the causes of chronic inflammation, specifically the protein you're eating, and the simple remedies you can start using today...

Is Your Food Causing Inflammation? [Full Text]

Dave: Hey, thanks so much for joining me in this episode of the Make Your Body Work podcast. As you know, this show is all about helping you live a healthier and happier life. Today, we've got neat show because it's actually a follow up from one of my recent podcast. I got a question from a listener who had listened to that podcast and thought, "Okay. Some of that makes sense, but what about this?" I'm going to dive right in.

This is what Jaylene wrote. She says, "I just listened to your podcast about eating protein and I have a question. I agree that eating enough protein is important for building muscle and losing weight, but it can also cause inflammation, which has the exact opposite effect. How do you balance out the two?"

Jaylene, thanks for writing and this is a great question and I'm excited because we're going to talk a lot about inflammation. We're going to talk a lot about diet. We're going to talk a lot about protein, different types of protein and does that actually trigger inflammation or what are the symptoms of inflammation? Why do you need to get rid of it?

So much flowed out of this question, so thanks for asking such a great... A meaningful question. I have a question who ... She's actually been on the show before. She's one of my favorites. She's so knowledgeable and particularly knowledgeable about diet and inflammation, and so she was such a natural fit. When I saw this question, I thought I need to invite her back. Some of you already know her, but for those of you don't, I'm excited to introduce you to Ireene Siniakis.

Meet Ireene Siniakis

Dave: Hey, Ireene. Welcome back to the podcast!

Ireene: Hey, Dave. How are you?

Dave: Good. Good. I can say welcome back because you joined me ... Oh, man! It must have been almost a year ago now.

Ireene: Oh, time flies when you're having fun. Yeah. It was about a year ago.

Dave: You and I, we're just talking before I started recording here and I was saying how you're so busy and every time I checked in with you, you're doing something new and wonderful and maybe you can update the audience. What have you been doing in the last year in your health career?

Ireene: Oh, wow. Where do I start? No. You're right, Dave. I do a lot, but I absolutely love what I'm doing. For me, it's not actually a set of work but still what I do is I manage the health and well-being program for a large corporate being Flight Center, so the travel agency that you would go in to book a flight. I manage that for a region here in Australia, Victoria, Tasmania.

We have a couple of thousand staff and I've got 14 personal trainers that worked for me that go out to our people and conduct health checks on the staff because really, they're in rolls where they're sitting all day and not particularly looking after themselves too well, so we'd go and encourage them to eat well.

We take their blood pressure glucose and give them a set of a bio-age score actually. Tell them what their body age is in relation to the chronological age and just give them some tips until the next time that we see them.

I manage that a couple of days a week and the staff love it because they feel that the company cares about them and anything investing in the health. I also do about 12 to 15 hours of weight loss coaching, so one on one coaching clients all around the world. My clients are in US, Canada, even got clients in Japan, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia. They're everywhere and I love my clients.

It's more one on one personalized weight loss coaching because as you and I know, Dave, weight loss is more about losing weight. There's a lot of other things that could go on in your life that could affect obviously what you're eating and how you're feeling and stress levels.

I do some coaching one on one. I'm also putting together a supplement. When I say supplement, it's a green superfood. It's a three in one system with collagen protein, green superfood and probiotic all in one that you can put in a smoothie or you can have it as a shake with some coconut water. Getting that made in the US at the moment. It would be live on Amazon very, very soon, if not, within the next week. That one is called Superbodi, so look out for that one.

I absolutely love greens, so that's what I'm working on at the moment. Also, aside to health, I have an Amazon agency that we help businesses launch their products on Amazon in the US. Amazon is coming to Australia. We, at the moment in Australia, only have books and Kindles on Amazon. More and more products are going to be live.

Yeah. I've got a lot going on, but I absolutely love what I do and I think it's important. That's what gets me out of bed every morning because I love to help people, so everything that I'm doing is in a way, helping people and helping them to create a better live.

Dave: Ireene, I get people all the time to say to me, "Dave, I don't know how you do everything that you do." Then, I hear what you're doing. Then, I feel lazy.

Ireene: You know what gets me through, Dave? It's the greens. I swear by greens. Honestly, I've been taking them for years. All my clients like ... I encourage them to have as many greens, and no one really wants to sit down to a bowl of steamed vegetables all the time. If you can't do that, I say supplement.

Whether you have my supplement or any green supplement, you can go to your local health food store and have green superfood powders or if someone's just starting out, have a green capsule. If you pull apart that capsule, it's just dried superfoods. Things like alfalfa, wheat grass, spirulina, all those greens are what alkalining your body. It's honestly what gets me through. It gives me the spring in my step and it gives me a really glowing skin. I love it. I swear by greens.

Dave: We're going to talk more about that when we get in the show, and I just want to say, for the listeners, we're recording this at the end of November. It's November 23rd on the Canadian calendar. I know you're on the 24th, I believe that they had right now, but like you said, you're just in the process of launching your product and I'm going to be one of your first customers.

I was telling you before we started recording that I'd like to order your product and test it out and you know what we talked about as well, I'll do a follow up and let all the listeners and all of my followers know what I think about your product. I'm excited about it.

Ireene: Thank you, Dave. It would be great. Yes, absolutely.

Are You Older than Your Age?

Dave: I did have a question about what you're saying when you're talking about your corporate work and you said that you test people on all of these different health factors and give them sort of ... What would you call it? A bio-age?

Ireene: A bio-age score. We give them based on their body age in relation to their chronological age, so you may be 30, but your body is telling you that you're 40. Right? Based on the questions that we asked, it's designed to give you a score and then we give you the top three things that you should be working on until the next time we come and see you. We want you to be in comparison to your real age.

Dave: Well, I was going to ask you, do you mind telling us what do you typically see? Are people typically, health wise older than their body should be? Do you find that they're both on par? Are they younger? What's typical?

Ireene: Yeah. Generally typically, most people I would say, 60-year-old, 70% of people are older and now, these factors can come down to stress. If someone smokes or drinks alcohol daily, things like that, or eats processed foods.

Generally, the age will come a little bit older. We give you tips or we give them tips and things to work on to help reduce that age because really, what's happening is we're trying to alkaline the body. That's why with the greens, we're always alkalining.

We're always wanting to eliminate all the bad and nasty in our body, but typically most people, we could think of the population, 60 to 70% of people are overweight. Working with a corporate, it's just the general population but most people typically, generally is showing slightly older.

Dave: Well, I feel like it would be such a motivating factor. I can just imagine, if I got a test results back. Right now chronologically, I'm 37 years old. If I got a test back that said my body is like the body of a 50-year-old, wow, I'd be motivated. Whoever gave me that test, they could tell me do X, Y, Z, and I feel as though I'd really want to do it. Is that what you see?

Ireene: Yeah. It can swing both ways really. For some people, if they're [sort of morbidly over obese because we do have those people that are obese or even just considered overweight by the BMI, it can be a [demovating 00:08:36] factor because they're like, "Wow." They can walk away with their head down and feel depressed. It's a fine line. I'm going to be careful how we deliver the result.

I get like a score and get a report sent to them explaining what they can do and encouraging them to move forward, but for some people, I think the health conscious people, they're like, "Yeah. I want to get my age down. I want to be younger," but for some that are not so healthy, it can be a fine line there.

What Is Inflammation?

Dave: We've already talked about or sort of touch on a few things that are very well related to our topic today, so you are mentioning about alkaline foods and alkalinizing the body versus having an acidic diet. This all really plays into this topic of inflammation and Jaylene, she wrote in and she said ... Basically she said, "Are you talking about eating protein? I think it's really important to eat protein to maintain a healthy weight, but doesn't protein increase inflammation?"

I was wondering if you could start off because I know you know a lot about inflammation within the body. Can you just describe, what does that look like? Why does Jaylene and why are some people even worried about inflammation in the first place?

Ireene: Well, if you think of what inflammation is, it's basically a body protecting itself. It's responding to something foreign in the body. If you stab your toe or you hurt your knee, it becomes inflamed and red and swollen, so your body releases these chemicals from the white cells and it's trying to heal itself basically.

That's external to the body, but also inside the body, inflammation can occur in more of a silent way. Sometimes you don't even know that it's happening. If you're having poor foods or processed foods or lots of sugar, your body is silently trying to heal itself. It becomes inflamed and it becomes, like you said, acidic. Our bodies are acidic.

Processed food can cause inflammation, which leads to all sorts of chronic illness

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Sometimes you're not even aware, but there's typical signs that tell you that your body isn't acidic and it's things like fatigue or you constantly got aches and pains and you're feeling lethargic, those sort of things are really what you should look out for.

What Are the Symptoms of Inflammation?

Dave: What is it that's actually happening? For example, say I did eat a heavily processed diet or not even heavily processed. Just say I had a period where I was eating some processed foods and what is it that's physically going on because you mentioned you use these examples of stabbing your toe and I think most of the listeners would understand, if you get an injury, you get red and you get swollen and you get warm where that side of the injury is. What's happening on the inside of our body?

Ireene: Well basically, your body, it's increased blood flow. Your body is working harder because it's trying to heal itself. These chemicals are released from the white cells and it's just more of them and your body is not in a relaxed state. Everything is just working harder. You're putting more havoc on your body.

Like I said, you'll notice that with aching joints and feeling lethargic or you have allergy to foods, there's signs that you need to take note like I believe the universe works in strange ways and these little things that start to occur like if you have dairy and you've got a blocked nose all the time, and it's trying to give you a little bit of a wakeup call.

Your body is just constantly working harder. We don't want our body to work harder, so an amazing machine is of this and we want to make sure that we're always listening and tuning into to the signs that our body is trying to say, "Hey, what about me? Help me through this."

Without getting too technical, it's just basically an increased blood flow to the areas of your body because it's trying to protect and heal. It's like a wound, like an external wound. You kind of got internal wounds and like I said, when we're acidic and we're always want to be alkalizing our body.

Inflammation and Weight: How Are They Connected?

Dave: Jaylene, she makes the connection between inflammation and weight gain or an inability to lose weight. Is that accurate and do those two go together?

Ireene: Well, inflammation like I said, weight gain is a sign that your body is inflamed. Once again, it's a sign to pay attention. Excess weight especially around the mid-section and visceral fat around your organs and things is a sign to start thinking about your diet, start thinking about how you're moving the body, start thinking about how you frame your mind every day. Stress or you're stressed over the small things or you're quite calm during the day, all these things have a great impact.

Inflammation and weight gain definitely go hand in hand because you'll never lose weight in an inflamed body. The way to lose weight is to alkaline your body. That definitely go hand in hand.

Dave: I'm glad you brought up the idea of stress because whenever I speak, quite often, I've done talks on inflammation and how it relates to health and weight loss and weight gain and that's an area that we often overlook.

So many people ... Well, tell me if you agree with this, but in my experience, so many people focus just on "healthy eating," and then exercise and don't think about stress and inflammation exactly as you said, when our body's inflamed, it's working harder and that's another physical stress being placed on our body.

Ireene: Oh, God. Yeah. Absolutely. Stress plays a massive role. Your cortisol level, everything works harder. All these things in conjunction with unhealthy diet, processed foods, everything. You're just creating more havoc on your body. When you start clean eating, it's interesting.

A lot of people think they're eating clean by having more fruits and vegetables, but a lot of people don't understand what clean eating is and that's probably another topic in itself. Yeah. Stress and sleep, sleep is really important. If you're having less sleep overnight, that's causing more havoc on the body as well. You want to make sure you have a good balance of everything.

Balance is the key to true health.

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Are You Too Acidic or Too Alkaline?

Dave: Yeah. You made a great point. This could go in many different areas. We're talking about reducing stress and reducing inflammation, but a number of times, you talked about acidic versus alkaline and our diet and our diet and how that contributes to either one of those. Can you talk a little bit about alkaline eating or eating for an alkaline state in your body?

Ireene: Yeah. If you think from ... I don't want to get too technical, but there's a scale between zero and 14, and zero being if your body is acidic and 14 being if your body is totally alkalized. You don't want to be too alkalized either, because the symptoms are the same. It's if your body is too acidic, so what we were aiming is in the middle, which is 7.2 or 7.3.

You want to be neutral and anyone can test ... Your listeners can test if the body is in an alkaline state by doing the saliva test. We can even get them on Amazon or you'd go to ... We call them chemist. I'm not sure what do you call them? Drugstores over there, but you go and you buy these little strips.

They're pH strips or saliva strips and you pop them in your mouth and it will give you a reading what your pH level is and if you want to be around that, that neutral point is seven, 7.2 but the way to alkaline your body, the most neutral thing that you can have, Dave, is to drink water.

People think, we're telling [inaudible 00:15:52] telling them to drink water because for dehydration and for thirst, but really it could alkaline you. It just neutralizes the enzymes in your stomach. It just neutralizes everything, so drink more water. Having greens, going green like I said is going to alkaline you.

You just want to get that, like I said, that healthy balance but you don't want to be too alkalined either, or you don't want to be too acidic. Even if you Googled the acid alkaline chart and a chart will come up.

There's many, many images and you just have a look at that chart, but like I said, you don't know you're inflamed unless you've got those physical symptoms of being fatigued or tired or aches and pains, but if you really want to test it, you can get these strips to test your body.

You could be alkaline one day and then acidic the next. It's something you could have constantly work on always be drinking water, always be having drinks in your diet and reducing your stress, deep breathing, sleeping well and always just trying to stay in alkaline state because disease, sickness, colds, flus all start in an acidic body.

If you're all having lots of colds and flus, it's a sign that you really need to start cleaning up your act, cleaning up your diet, reducing stress, finding way to reduce your stress, things like that. Ways to test it, but don't be fanatic to not go out and get these pH strips and constantly be testing. Just start by drinking water, eating more greens and be conscious of your mental state.

Most disease thrives in an acidic body.

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How to Test Your pH Level?

Dave: Yeah. I'm glad you mentioned testing. Way back, this was probably a 10 or maybe even longer ago, 10 years ago when I used to do fitness coaching and I had a group in a bootcamp class of mine and we were talking about this group talking about pH levels and I brought in some of those test strips that you're talking about.

The reaction was so funny because all the women in my group, we all tested it together and exactly as you said, depending on the shade on their strip, some girls will be ecstatic and other girls would be freaking out, "Oh my gosh. Why is mine this shade?" It's sort of a starting point to give us an idea of maybe where we're at, but it's not necessarily the be all and end all of whether you're healthy or not.

Ireene: Yeah, absolutely. You got to remember, the best time to test is not when you first get up in the morning and you have your first wee, not that one, it's the second one because when your body is sleeping, we're detoxifying. We're getting rid of all the gunk as such in our body, so you want to always be testing the second time you go to the bathroom.

The one thing with alkalizing your body or just know is that you always want to be ... Think if your body is a machine and your digestive system is like your second brain and you want to be constantly detoxing, constantly eliminating and that's what alkaline body does. It strips out all the toxins, all the gunk out of your body.

It's a kind of a constant flow, but to test it daily every couple of days to keep in check is just a great way to do it like I said. Yes. For some people, it could be a great motivator, but you don't want to be true, sit on it, do the right things 80% of the time. We're not trying to be 100% perfect here, 80% of the time, really think about your body and tune in to what it really needs and you'll live a long healthy life.

Dave: For the listeners, if you go to the show notes for this episode, I'll include a link to some pH strips. I just ordered mine on Amazon like I've already mentioned. If you go to makeyourbodywork.com/109, there will be a link there and you can order yours. They're very inexpensive. A couple of box and you can do some test on yourself.

Ireene, I want to go back to Jaylene's question because she's making these connections. She starts it and says that protein is good. It's good for weight loss, but that it can lead to inflammation and inflammation can be bad for weight loss. Why do you supposed ... We don't have all the information, but why do you suppose she would make that connection between protein potentially causing inflammation?

Does Protein Really Cause Inflammation?

Ireene: Good question because protein can come in many forms. You can have whey protein. You can have a collagen protein or at least some vegetable proteins. I find that with whey protein, it can cause inflammation because it comes from milk, which is dairy.

If you're having ... Sometimes you can get a slight cough or you've got like a blocked nose, there's signs that your body is inflamed because it's basically an allergy or an intolerance to the way. It depends on what protein powder Jaylene is having, but there can definitely a connection there.

You may want to swap out the whey protein and go for collagen or a vegetable protein, which is definitely not my favorite, the vegetable proteins, but each of their own, I think you like vegetable protein, you mentioned, Dave earlier.

Dave: Yeah. I used a vegan protein. For exactly the reason you're talking about, for years, I used whey and didn't realize that I had all these symptoms of poor health. As I just started doing food testing and elimination dieting, realized that I feel better when I'm not eating dairy and whey. Like you said, some dairy by-product, so I got rid of that.

Ireene: Yeah. See, absolutely. You really tuned in, and that's where people ... I encourage your listeners. When you take the protein, think about what's happening in your body a couple of hours later. Without knowing specifically Jaylene's problem, she may just want to swap out if she's taking whey to a different vegan or collagen protein, which is becoming more and more popular these days.

Dave: Aside from supplements, proteins in general, so when I think about protein foods, right away in my mind goes to meat and I think that's probably true for a lot of listeners. Where does meat fit into that spectrum of creating alkaline or an acidic environment?

Ireene: Yeah. You're right, Dave because most of the time, we want to be getting protein from our foods. Okay. There's definitely supplements because living a busy lifestyle, sometimes it could be hard to get your daily protein intake and meat definitely is a complete protein. It has all the amino acids in one protein.

Proteins are made up of 22 amino acids and some vegan proteins may have, like if you're having some legumes, may have eight or chic peas may have nine. You want to have like a range of vegetables to ensure that you get all amino acids in the protein. Meat can be acidic, but when you look at that acid alkaline chart, a little bit of meat, because it's a high protein, can be beneficial.

Don't think of meat. There's many protein sources such as salmon, chicken, fish, nuts, eggs. Like I said, there's also vegetable proteins as well. You want to have a variety to ensure that you get all the amino acids in one. Meat, every couple of days, a small portion of red meat, I recommend if you're a meat eater. Otherwise, there's many other sources.

Dave: If Jaylene's listening right now, is it fair for me to say that protein in itself like generally speaking, it's not that protein is necessarily going to create an acidic environment and therefore, inflammation?

Ireene: Correct. You want to have a look at the type of protein that you're consuming and if that is obviously eliminated, if that's causing a problem, but it's not necessarily a protein, your body needs protein. Our bodies are made up of 16% protein and your hairs, your nails all need protein. We're made up of gazillions of cells. Every cell needs protein.

The thing with protein, I'll just point out for your listeners is your body doesn't store protein. We excrete it, so you'll have to continually top up. When I speak to my weight loss clients, I get them to get into this habit of, "Every time you're eating, ask yourself, 'What can I add to my meal that's protein?'" Because you want to have protein with most of your meals, just sprinkle it out throughout the day to keep your protein levels topped up.

Your body doesn’t store protein, therefore it has to be included in each of your meals

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How Much Protein Do You Actually Need?

I'm just thinking of the metrics here, but one gram of protein per one kilo of body weight. One kilo is what, 2.2 pounds for your guide. One gram per 2.2 pounds is what you should be having every day. If you weigh 200 pounds just to make it simple, 200 pounds is going to be ... Just your recommended daily intake, 200 pounds divide it by 2.2 is ... You should be having 90 grams of protein per day.

If you think of that split into five or six smaller meals divided by ... It's around 15 grams that you should be having most meals. If you're just getting into the habit, make it simple. If you're having brekky, you're thinking, "Well, what can I add to my meal to my brekky that's protein?" Maybe that you want to sprinkle some, I don't know, [inaudible 00:24:23] and serve in your brekky. Mid-morning, you may want to have an egg or some nuts.

Lunch, you may want to have some chicken. In the afternoon, you may want to have some humus. Then for dinner, you might have a chicken or a vegetable dish, but always be having protein with most of your meals.

Dave: Yeah. Ireene, I love that you just did that calculation and reinforce actually the podcast that Jaylene references. [inaudible 00:24:46] your podcast with Karina Inkster and we were talking about protein requirements and she said the same thing as you to ... She's talking about depending on your activity level, that that one gram per kilogram of body weight is sort of an average or a typical baseline.

Then, for people who are more and more active particularly those who are doing strength training would want to increase from there. Your guidelines are right on with that podcast that Jaylene was talking about.

Ireene: Yeah. If you're doing some strength training, you want to then go to 1.2 or 1.5 gram of protein per body weight, particular body weight. This is just the recommended daily allowance, right? This is not ... For some of my women, they're like, "Oh, I feel like I'm eating too much protein." It's just what we should be having. It's what your body needs because remember when the body is a 16% protein, we need to constantly be replenishing it.

You got to be constantly thinking about your food and always adding the protein because your body won't store it, it will excrete it. It can be new and foreign to people that are just starting out, but I do have a link to a quiz actually that kind of tells you exactly how much protein, but that maybe getting too complicated, if you're just getting to the habit of, "What can I add to this protein?" I think that's the most simplest way.

Dave: Yeah. Not to be afraid. It sounded like in Jaylene's question that she was maybe a little bit afraid of going too gung-ho in the protein at risk of ending up with this problem of inflammation, but as we talked about, these sources of the protein are so crucial.

Ireene: For general people, it's not too much protein. You see some guys at the gym and they may be having double the amount of protein and too much protein can wreck havoc on your kidneys. Definitely. For the general population, they're not having too much protein.

The benefits of having protein regularly as well is it keeps you feeling full, right? It stops you from wanting to have chips or sugary kind of foods because the protein makes you feel full on for longer.

The key to weight loss diet and this is the missing link when it comes to having a healthy sustained weight is to have enough protein in your diet every day. That's the key. Most people do not have enough protein, so they're always looking for something sugary in the afternoon or they're hungry. It's the protein. It's [crosstalk 00:27:04].

Dave: I'm completely with you and I noticed that personally that you talk about this all the time about how particularly breakfast is so easy to become a carbohydrate based meal just because of the convenient type breakfast foods that we typically eat. I'm always talking about, "Make sure to eat your protein in the morning." I'll notice when I'm lazy or in a rush and I'll just grab a bowl of oatmeal and then, head over the door, it happens to me too. I feel that sugar crash and I feel lethargic later in the day, so I'm completely with you.

Ireene: Yeah. The great thing even with the collagen protein, a lot of collagen protein just on their own, don't even have a taste. There's no taste to them. If you add a tablespoon or a scoop of protein in your oatmeal, you won't even know what's there. There's many, many ways that you can have protein.

I encourage even your listeners, if they want to jump on the call with me, jump on a call and I'll help you through and help you look at your nutrition and way you can add protein here and there throughout the day. I think they'll notice a big difference in how they feel and how they look because it will curb out all the sugary stuff and they'll be eating right for their body. Happy to help your listeners there.

What Are the Benefits of Collagen Protein?

Dave: Ireene, I appreciate that. For the listeners again, if you go to makeyourbodywork.com/109, I'll put a link directly to Ireene's website. Then, you can connect with her there and follow up with her and get that advice.

Ireene, I really appreciate you offering us some of your time like that. When you're talking about collagen protein, so you've mentioned that a number of times in the show, what's so special about collagen protein? Where does it come from and what are the benefits?

Ireene: Yeah. Collagen protein, like I said, 16% of our bodies are made of protein. Collagen comes from ... It's going to sound a bit yucky here, but it comes from your bones, your ligaments, your tendons and basically the way they make collagen protein is they get these from cows, bovine or fish.

These different types of protein and they boil it up at a certain temperature and extract all the proteins from the bones, the ligaments, the joints and then it goes through this process where it becomes in like a powder format.

If you think of your skin and your skin loses elasticity, you're losing collagen. You want to be replenishing your body internally with collagen as well as by creams, anti-wrinkle creams and things for the top of our skin. Internally, you want to be constantly replenishing the collagen protein as well.

There's 80 or 90 different collagen proteins, but 90% of them are probably from your type one, type two. Meaning it comes from the bones, ligaments and joints. I think if you tell people too much about that, they're like, "Oh, I don't want to have that." You can't even taste it. It's just like bland. It's got no taste at all, but most part, collagen proteins, you need to have it in a cooler temperature and you can't add it to a cup of tea or hot coffee or anything like that. It just loses its power.

Collagen protein has been out for a few years now. It's become more and more popular even now, they're here in Australia because it helps with the beauty side of it as well. Because of also, Dave, you mentioned with the allergies and intolerances to whey protein, collagen protein can be a better option.

Dave: Right now over the last couple of years, there's been a shift or a move towards people talking about drinking bone broth.

Ireene: Yes. Similar thing. It's the gelatin. Bone broth can be healing on the gut because all these things that we want to make our digestive system working like a well-oiled machine. Bone broth definitely is at the boiling of bones and extracting all the goodness. Once again, similar but kind of a different process. Same, same but different.

Dave: Okay. Interesting. I understood. It is new to me. Like I said, I used a fermented vegan protein but I have never experimented with collagen. Like I said, I'm going to be your first customer and I'm interested to try it. One of the questions that I had for you is talking about the digestibility of collagen versus some of these other protein options because when people come to me and say, "Dave, what protein would you recommend?"

I recommend what I use and so far, that has been a fermented vegan one because that is the most digestible. It's the least abrasive on our digestive systems. Can you compare that to collagen in terms of bloating, in terms of stomach upset? What are some of the side effects of taking it?

Ireene: Yeah. Look, I think it's personal for everybody. I through with whey protein, some whey proteins can cause bloating and I find with the collagen, it's just a cleaner type protein. For me personally, I ingest it better and like you mentioned, you used to take whey protein and then you tuned into your body and you realized that the vegan protein, your body tolerates it better.

I think it's a personal thing for everybody, but it's more natural. It's more natural because your body's made up of collagen but the protein, so you're just really giving it back what it already had. I find it easier on the digestive system, but it's a personal preference and from a cost point, collagen protein, cost is a little bit more than the weigh. It depends on the person.

Dave: Yeah. We're joking around before recording here as well and talking about taste. Taste does matter. You said you hate the taste of vegetable protein. I get that a lot. I'd hear usually it's not taste, it's texture. The graininess of a vegetarian of vegan protein. Again, I'm interested in collagen, how do you find texture wise? How does it mix?

Ireene: It's like a really fine ... It just melts away. It's like a gelatin. It just melts away. The texture, I know what you mean at the vegan protein. I think it's both texture and taste personally, but it's definitely not grainy. It's a really fine light clean protein. The texture is not a problem at all, but there are some collagen proteins. I have one here [inaudible 00:33:10] and it just taste like dirty water, but most of the time, the collagen protein has no taste whatsoever.

Make Your Body Work Takeaway

Dave: Again, I am excited to give this a shot. Ireene, we like to wrap up this show with what's called a Make Your Body Work takeaway, and I know we talked about many different topics today but going back to the heart of Jaylene's question, it was about inflammation.

We've already dispelled the fact that protein doesn't necessarily cause inflammation, but we did agree that inflammation is something that needs to be dealt with. If someone is exhibiting those signs of having chronic inflammation, what would you say is the first step they should take to [alleving 00:33:46] that?

Ireene: Drink more water, okay? Get everything flowing in your body and drinking more water, at least two liters per day. We call it liters. Two liters per day. Go green. Okay? Whether you choose to buy my supplement or it doesn't matter, go and find a good green supplement or get a lot more greens in your diet.

Add a bunch of spinach leaves in your smoothie or just go green to alkaline your body more. You want to be constantly, like I said, just eliminating, making sure you're going to the bathroom once or twice a day. If you're not, that's a sign as well.

Just constantly be thinking that you want to reduce that inflammation because you won't get sick if you're alkalized. You get sick when you're inflamed. When I say sick, I'm talking even colds and flus, aches and pain or more serious diseases and things all start in an inflamed body. Definitely, you want it to be top of mind.

The ways in which to drink more water, take... be your best friend! Take note of your body, what's happening? The signs it's giving you and think if you've got tight neck and shoulders, maybe you do just need to have more water, have some more protein to replenish the muscles and like I said, start to really tune in to who you really are and what your body is telling you.

Dave: Well, I like that that's so practical. When we're talking earlier about inflammation and we started talking with sleep and we talk about stress, and there are many contributing factors, but sometimes it just feels very overwhelming. I asked for one and you gave us two, and I'm okay with that.

Ireene: Yeah.

Get More Green In Your Diet with Superbodi

Dave: You said drink more water and get green in your diet. I think that's great advice. Now, I'm going to put you on the spot here. When the show actually airs, your supplement will have already launched. Like I said, I'm going to try it out. Is there somewhere my listeners can go right away to get the first [inaudible 00:35:41] and try out your supplement for themselves?

Ireene: Oh, absolutely. I would love to offer a discount to your listeners. I'll give you a link, Dave and if you can just refer them to the link and making ... Yeah. Definitely go and get a discounted product.

I'll also give them a free lean body toolkit that I'm putting together at the moment as well, which is two weeks of healthy delicious meals, incorporating the super greens in there and really teaching them how to get a lean body and it's just giving them all the tools and things that they need to do that. That's a downloadable product. Happy to give them that as well as a discount, but I'll give you the link, Dave. If you can just pass that on to your listeners.

Dave: Oh, that's fantastic. Awesome. Again for the listeners, if you go to makeyourbodywork.com/109, I'm going to have a bunch of links. I was sort of making notes as we are chatting here, but all the resources that we're talking about and so, you can book a call with Ireene. You can get your lean body toolkit and you can also get your discount to Ireene's newly launched greens, plus… tells us what else is in your product?

Ireene: Yeah. It's called Superbodi. Superbodi and it's basically a three in one system. You're going to get collagen protein, green superfoods, 14 green super goods and a probiotic all in one. It's a three in one. You just put one scoop either into a smoothie. You could add a banana and whip it up in a blender or how I love to have it is just in a shaker with some coconut water and some ice shaker and off I go. It's a protein and greens, Superbodi it's called.

Dave: Awesome. Awesome. Well, thank you again for being generous with all of these different offers and resources. Most of all, just thanks for your time. I really appreciate you being here and sharing some of your expertise with us.

Ireene: Oh, I love your show, Dave. I listen to it all the time. I absolutely love it. Thanks for having me. Yeah. All the best to your listeners.

Dave: Thanks again, Ireene for being on the show and for sharing your time, not only to be on the show, but for offering up your time for the listeners to connect with you. That's just amazing that you're willing to do that to give them some advice and talk them through maybe some of the blocks that are preventing them from optimizing their health.

Thanks also for sharing your resources and then also for sharing discount for your new product. I mentioned it during the show, but I'm really excited to be your first customer and I appreciate you offering up an opportunity for the Make Your Body Work community to join in and try it as well. Thanks to you everyone who's listening to this episode.

I said it before, I'm going to say it again and I'll probably say it a million times after this. What is the action that you were going to take after listening to Ireene talk? What is the action you're going to take away from her message? What are you going to do to change your behavior and change your life and change your health?

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Because listening to this podcast and just accumulating more information is not doing anything to improve your health, it's all about action. It doesn't have to be big action steps. Think about some of the small ones that we talked about at the end of the podcast. Drinking more water, changing your diet to include more greens whether to supplement or actual physical green foods.

Changing your mindset, your approach to stress, there's so many different things that we covered today that can improve your health. What's one thing that you were going to do? That's it for today's episode. I'll obviously be back here again next week, I've got another great question. If you have any questions for the show, feel free to email me at anytime. That's dave@makeyourbodywork.com and I'll see you here again next week.

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