Depression Is Ruining My Healthy Life [Podcast Episode #082]

Think about the last time you were having a "down" day. How motivated did you feel to get up and exercise? Or, how likely were you to start cooking up a healthy meal?

Healthy choices take effort, and when you are feeling depressed or anxious, it can be difficult to muster up the effort needed to make those choices happen.

Today we're discussing mindset shifts that can help you overcome these hurdles. You can continue with your healthy lifestyle, even in the face of feelings of depression or anxiety.

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Dave: Hey, thanks so much for joining me in this episode of the Make Your Body Work Podcast. As you know, this show is all about helping you live a healthier and happier life. I know we talk on the show a fair bit about exercise, a fair bit about food choices, but today is one of those days where we're going to kind of set some of that aside and talk a lot more about what's going on in between the ears, about what's happening in our brain.This all came from a really great question from Chloe. This is what Chloe wrote in to say.

She says, “I never had much of an issue with my weight until about five years ago. Some circumstances in life left me feeling depressed. I haven't been diagnosed as clinically depressed, but I'm sure that is the case. Food is always an easy way to cope. Exercise is hard, even though I know I feel better when I do it. I'd really like to find some ways to keep my eating on track when I really don’t feel like it. In my head, I know that I should say no to my cravings, but when I'm feeling depressed, it's harder said than done.”

Chloe, I just want to say thanks for writing in, particularly sharing something that’s a little bit personal like that. You know this, the audience, we all know this, there's so many people, myself included, who have gone through stages where we don’t feel good about ourselves.

We don’t feel good about life, and those depressive feelings can come in and sort of override some of those choices that we really do want to make. Chloe, reading your e-mail, I can relate and I talk to people on a daily basis who can as well, so thank you for that question.

Now I have a really great guest today who ... She specializes in working with women and helping them lose weight, and the foundation of her approach is mindset. It's getting us in the right mindset to be able to make those choices that we want to be able to make. I'm really excited to introduce to you Shannon Sullivan.

Meet Shannon Sullivan

Dave: Hey, Shannon. Thanks so much for being on the show today.

Shannon: I am so happy to be here, Dave. Thanks for having me.

Dave: Now some of my listeners or followers, they might be familiar with you because of a recent summit that you launched. I was one of your guests in the summit, and I was wondering if maybe you can just start off kind of recapping. What was that all about?

Shannon: Sure. We actually just wrapped up our Professional Women's Weight and Wellness Symposium, and in that summit we gathered a group of topnotch experts like you who spoke about all the different ways, all the different facets that need to have attention in order to create that whole life success.

We did get into it more specifically, but it really is about aligning the mindset with the action and putting the prioritizing and the focus back on you over your career, which so many corporate women and female entrepreneurs get sucked into this cycle of work, work, work. It was great.

Dave: Yeah. I got a lot of great feedback, not just pumping up my own talk but just in general. A lot of listeners and followers wrote in to me saying they really appreciated it. I know you had some very topnotch experts, so thanks for putting that together. Honestly, I heard really, really great things.

Shannon: Oh, it was our pleasure. It's always fun. We love interacting, hearing back from the audience. It's just amazing how many experts there are out there who are willing to help.

Dave: I guess that kind of flows into my next question, is what is sort of your personal passion in terms of health, wellness, or your expertise or ...? That symposium was particularly for women, corporate women. Is that who you usually work with, or what is your favorite area?

Shannon: It is, just because I actually work with my sister, and we spent years in corporate America. We were certified public accountants, which has grueling hours. It has demanding busy seasons. I don’t want to go too much on a tangent here, but we both were athletes.

We were D-1 athletes at the college level, and we went from that, which you know your body mechanics, you know what it takes to stay healthy, you have all that knowledge, into a situation where health was not only not prioritized; it was totally off the radar. It was not even a concern. It was very much results, how much can you produce, tons of stress, tons of bad food choices.

Our passion really is helping uncover those myths that women have heard over and over and over about what it takes to lose weight, and then also empowering them to know that you can have this whole life success. You can have this healthy personal life while still knocking it out of the park in your career. It is possible.

What Does Your Mindset Look Like?

Dave: Ah, neat. Today, we're talking particularly about mindset, and we're talking about mental health and how that ties into healthy living and weight loss and the whole bit. When you were working in a corporate environment and were feeling all these pressures and weren't living a healthy lifestyle, how would you say your mindset was, or from a mental health perspective, how healthy were you?

Shannon: I would say the mindset was very much defeated. I felt like a lot of things were beyond my control, but in actuality, they weren't. Women sometimes fall into this category of victimizing ourselves or our situation, and it can become really addictive and really easy to continue with. I would say that I definitely put my health on the back burner.

The interesting thing about mindset is it affects all these different areas of our life. What was happening at my office, in my career, filtered into how I valued myself, the relationships I got myself in, how much I took care of myself. It really was this whole life effect that all went back and started with the mindset, the outlook that I had.

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Dave: Was there sort of an aha moment where you thought, "Okay, I can't do this anymore," or how did you jump from that environment into what you do now?

Shannon: That’s a really good question, and I get that a lot. I'll be honest, there wasn’t this really, really strong turning point, as in this one moment where everything became clear. I think that’s because I'm an extreme analyzer.

I was an accountant, so everything ... It wasn’t just like, oh, jump in and see what happens. My whole life had been, okay, take step one, research, evaluate, what's the most risk-averse answer and option, what makes the most sense. I was halted in that for a lot of time.

I think the biggest turning point was just a couple different life events that went on with my family. One sister was pregnant, which I was really excited about, with her first kid. Then my other sister had this, not near death, but a very scary experience when she was deployed over in Afghanistan.

Between those two opposite ends of the spectrum, these life events, I realized, "Man, I'm not doing a whole lot here in my own life, things to be really powerful and get excited about." That was when I knew that I needed something different.

Dave: Just, okay, I'm going to offend a whole lot of accountants out there, but I actually ... When I started university, my first year I was enrolled to become an accountant. I think I did it for about a semester and thought, "Oh, I can't imagine doing this for the rest of my life."

Shannon: Four years later in a CPA exam, yeah, I know.

Is "Emotional Eating" A Mindset?

Dave: Now, like I said, we're talking a little bit about mental health because Chloe wrote in, and, Chloe, if you're listening, thanks for writing in, especially being so personal. I really do appreciate it. It's brave of you to do that.

She talked about her depression, said she's been clinically diagnosed as clinically depressed and just feels kind of at a loss for what to do. She said, "You know, it's easy to turn to food for comfort. It's hard to get up sort of the motivation to exercise."

When you hear that story, can you relate? Was there any sort of elements that you ever experienced in your life similar to what Chloe wrote in?

Shannon: Definitely. I have to just say, first of all, anything we talk about here is not to replace the opinion of a doctor. If it is a clinical diagnosis, then you definitely ... Number one, you have to go see a doctor and see how they can assist you and what they can do.

When it comes to the mindset aspect of things, I can definitely relate to this idea of, oh, the next thing I can get excited about is lunch or my coffee break or going out to dinner after work. Those food items were the only thing that excited me throughout the day, just because I was in that very low state.

First, I just want to start off, the number-one most important thing is to create a foundation, whether you want to get healthier, whether you want to lose weight, whatever you need to do, you have to focus on that foundation.

The way that women were taught to lose weight was not designed for this modern woman to be successful. I just want to put that out there. That’s our point of view. That’s what Meg and I have really learned over the years, because weight loss or getting healthy or staying healthy is the ability to make beneficial decisions in less than ideal circumstances.

When you think about it that way for Chloe, she is turning to food. Food is very easy, it's very available. There is a biological, physiological connection. When we eat food, we in the immediate sense tend to feel better, but then it's right after that immediate sense that maybe guilt or shame or, "Oh, you should have known better" kind of sets in.

For Chloe, it sounds like from what she wrote in, she said she didn’t have an issue with her weight until circumstances in her life happened that caused her to feel depressed. Weight is definitely an issue, which makes sense because where there's emotional eating, there's usually overeating and then there's usually a weight issue. All right? I'm just setting the baseline here.

Any time we eat when we're not hungry, we're eating for emotional reasons, and emotions are related to mindset and mental health and what we're thinking and what we're feeling. Emotional eating is just a band-aid approach to the real reasons, to the real emotions we have that we need to attend to. Does that make sense so far, Dave?

Dave: Yeah, 100%. I totally agree. Food is so easy because, like you mentioned, we get instant gratification and it takes virtually no effort to walk over to the fridge or stop by a store and get something to eat. When you talk about getting down to the root of what's actually causing that emotional, that negative emotion, that seems like work, whereas eating never is.

I could see when I read Chloe's question, right away, I just thought, oh, I can totally see how Chloe and many, many other people, including myself, go through that. What is that first step to getting away from that easy reaction?

How "Triggers" Play Into Your Mindset

Shannon: The first step really is, number one, knowing your triggers. Assuming that Chloe's not literally eating all day every day, there are certain triggers that occur that make her reach for food, that make any emotional eater reach for food.

Really identifying those triggers is the first step, because then you would have awareness and then from there, we can build on, "Okay, how can I change these triggers, or how can I change my reaction to these triggers?" Oh, go on.

Dave: Yeah, I was going to ask you a question. Sorry, maybe I interrupted too quickly, but I was curious how specific those triggers are, because Chloe or someone else, I could see her saying, "Well, my trigger is I feel sad or I feel depressed." Is it something that’s more specific than that, or is that the trigger in itself?

Shannon: The thing with triggers is you need to work to really get down to the root cause. Here's an example. Some people eat at 12 o'clock noon. Why? Not because they're hungry, but because it's lunch time. Right? When you ask, "Oh, what is your trigger?" "Oh, the clock strikes noon. It's my lunch break."

Okay, if we want to dig into that a little bit, why do you need to eat when you're not hungry? You can kind of go down a rabbit hole. That’s one example.

Eating when you're not hungry is triggered by something. What is that trigger for you?

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There's another example that I think might be a little bit more apt, or appropriate for this specific question. We had a client who wanted to lose weight. She was an emotional eater. We started getting into this stuff, and she found that whenever there was a party or a celebration, she had to have a piece of cake. Okay.

When you think about that, it seems very harmless on the surface level, but that person, that client could have been totally stuffed. You know what I mean? Not feeling hungry whatsoever, but she had just been trained to, "Okay, I need to have this piece of birthday cake, of cake for going away," whatever it is, all those office parties we have.

How to Identify Your Root Causes

At first glance, why do you want that? Why is that trigger leading you to eat? At first glance, it's like, "Oh, well, duh, it's normal. Everybody does that." Then when you dig a little bit deeper, there has to be this root cause, this true root cause, because if you identify that trigger and you can't change it and it kind of has this hold on you, it's really ingrained, you have to identify the root cause.

For the birthday cake example, it was because when our client was really young, that’s what she associated every party with, cake, cake, cake. Over years, she reinforced this behavior, blah, blah, blah.

The good thing about her situation was we got her to a point where now, parties are about creating relationships and strengthening others and making those connections and not so much about the cake. She didn’t walk into a party anymore and think, "Oh, my god, how many more minutes till we have the cake?" There is possibility to identify the trigger, then uncover this root cause, this why, and then change that.

For Chloe, like you had mentioned, let's just say she feels sad. When she feels sad, she grabs something to eat to make her feel better in that initial sense. The thing is, until we identify why Chloe feels sad, we're never going to be able to break this pattern, so I can't speak to Chloe specifically.

An example of feeling sad could be, "Well, I have low self-worth," or, "I don’t value myself very high. I feel sad. I get down on myself." Then, there becomes this action plan that we need to come up with, that we need to dig in even deeper. Why do you feel sad? Why do you have self-worth? It's almost like that toddler where you say something and they go, "Why?" You say something, "Why, why, why?"

You kind of have to be that way with yourself to uncover this deep-rooted pattern or feeling that you have, because otherwise, what happens is you just try to stuff those emotions with food and it creates this cycle that can last for years, decades, and even a lifetime.

Using food to deal with your stress feels good momentarily, but adds to your stress long-term.

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How to Exercise Control and Your Ability to Make Healthy Choices

Dave: Everything you said makes so much sense, and I just imagine someone who's stuck, falling victim of these triggers, and instead of actually doing that work to figure out, well, why does that trigger exist and what was the root cause of that trigger, I could see people saying, "Okay, I'm just not going to do it."

Your client is a perfect example. I could see her going to a party and saying, "I'm not going to eat cake this time," but when that trigger is already there and it's been solidified over 20, 30, 40 years and has a very deep root cause, that willpower to say, "I'm not going to do it," I just can't imagine that that will work in the long term.

Shannon: You're right on, because I'm going through a process that actually can take a decent amount of time, months, even up to six, 12 months, because that trigger, we've reinforced it, like you said, years and decades, so it's there.

It is really, really strong. The next step after asking yourself why and coming up with that answer isn't, "Oh, okay, well, now I know why so I just will stop doing it." There's a whole nother set of steps and processes that come into play next.

I can tell you that staying connected to this why, and that’s something ... I know we haven't mentioned it, but Meg and I, when we create foundations for people, for women to lose weight, one of the pillars of that foundation is, Why do you want to lose weight? What is that going to do for you? How is that going to change your life?

What other things are you going to be able to do if you lose the weight and not just, "I want to lose weight so I can look better"? Again, there's more and more and more underneath those layers that you need to pull out.

Going back to the emotional eating, we've identified the trigger. Now, we can identify this deep root cause why we do it. Now, the fun part is exercising our control and our ability to make choices. Knowing that you have control immediately takes you out of this victim mentality.

The control that I'm talking about, it's not about willpower. It's not about just saying, "No, body, you don’t deserve to feel better. We're just going to suffer through this feeling of feeling sad." It's about switching the pattern to be something that is really comforting and really nourishing and healthy for you, and you have that control to switch how you react to that feeling.

Again, I'm giving an overview, because it takes work and it takes guidance to be able to do that, but knowing that you have that choice of how you react is actually really, really powerful.

Reconnecting to Your True Value

Dave: Chloe, again, if you're listening, I don’t mean to read into your situation, but I'm just going to sort of put in some specifics to what might be happening in your situation. Imagine if Chloe said, "I eat when I'm sad," and when she does a little bit of self-reflection, she identifies that she's sad because maybe she moved to a new city and feels lonely.

She doesn’t have that social network that can give her support, and she'll be lonely and maybe bored at home by herself. That makes her sad, and then, therefore, she eats. What would be an example of someone in that situation taking control as you speak of?

Shannon: Okay. One thing I want to add, again, to Chloe's hypothetical story that we just gave her, if she feels lonely and sad, then there's probably another layer. Maybe when she was a child she got made fun of at school, and there was a period where she didn’t have really close friends and she felt lonely, and she took on this story, "I got made fun of because I did this one thing which makes me unlovable or strange or an outcast or whatever."

That’s what I mean when I'm talking about really deep-rooted stuff, because if Chloe moved to a new city and didn’t know anybody, as adults, we know, oh, my gosh, she has 10 different ways to go meet someone that can solve that problem.

It's when you get to this really, really, really deep-rooted part, okay, now we're talking about some sort of value issue. Am I worthy of having friends? Am I worthy or am I attractive? Am I interesting enough? All of those things.

I just want to be clear, because once we get down to that level, now we can take action steps and now we can move forward. For somebody like that, in that situation, we would start off by reconnecting that person, reconnecting Chloe to her value, because when you value yourself, when you understand that, you treat yourself a lot differently.

We have different exercises. One that’s really successful is a track record of success. That would be an exercise that I'd do with Chloe, and that is, okay, "What are times in your life when you have been successful in helping other people, in providing value to others, in having an impact on others' lives?"

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As soon as Chloe starts to make that list, it's amazing what happens in the brain. As the brain remembers all these times, "Oh, I was valuable. Oh, I did that. Oh, I had friends," then self-esteem starts to skyrocket, because we're making that connection between Chloe's trigger in her fear, in this place that she thinks she's in, to "Those actually aren't true. I am valuable. When I did this because of this, blah, blah, blah, blah."

Dave: I love that exercise. I know there's something about human nature where I think ... Maybe I shouldn’t speak on behalf of everyone, but I know that myself and a lot of people, it's easier to be critical and point out areas where we can grow or areas that we wish we could change, but to really compliment ourselves and really identify those wins, there's something that feels a little bit uncomfortable. At least I feel that way. Can you relate? Is that similar for yourself?

Shannon: Yeah. I think it's just a reaction of where we are today. We're all about achieving next level, next level, next level, and it's tough because we don’t acknowledge our wins and these amazing things we have about ourself, and women are especially guilty of this, of just downplaying it all, but it's really powerful.

Women are so nervous about being called selfish because we have this badge of being selfless and helping other people, and it's not about being selfish. It's not about being full of yourself to recognize these things.

It's really just being realistic and kind of silencing that inner critic, because an inner critic is one of those things that it gets a big head and it will just insert itself into any situation, in every situation. I would wager that an inner critic, that inner negative voice is playing a part in Chloe's emotional eating and everyone's emotional eating.

Dave: This podcast is all about giving practical tips, and so I love that one. What did you call that activity again?

Shannon: That was the track record of success activity, and that ... I'm trying to think who turned me on to that. Can't remember right now, but it's a popular one. Psychologists use it all the time, about making a list of the times you have been successful.

What Role Does Motivation Play?

Dave: Okay. For the listeners, I'm going to look that up and I'll put some links to the track record of success in the show notes for this episode. You can go to and check those out. That’s one really practical example.

So far, Chloe or anyone else who's listening has asked that question, "What's triggering my eating?" and then done some exploration, asked why a whole bunch of times, "Well, why, why, why is that happening? What's the root cause?"

Trying to go back as far as possible and dive as deep as possible. Then to start to take some control over the situation, you talked about, well, find some examples of times when we really are successful, and that does sort of maybe minimize or quiet that inner critic that we have. What else can we do?

Shannon: The next thing that I would say that’s really helpful is to stay motivated. What I mean by that is, first, identify what you want your life to look like, as in for Chloe, she may want her life to look like a place where she only eats when she's hungry, she's surrounded by tons of friends.

She has a social calendar, and she's very involved, based on the story that we assigned Chloe. To stay motivated to achieve all those things that she wants is really important, because otherwise, we get a flash of, "Oh, that would be cool. Oh, but this is my reality. Oh, that would be fun, but here is my reality."

Staying motivated means staying interested, having enthusiasm for getting to that balanced life, to that better life that Chloe is after. If you can stay motivated, then what happens almost by default is you start taking action and you build up momentum and things become a lot easier.

Dave: Shannon, I completely agree with you, but that is so much easier said than done, that idea of staying motivated. Are there specific tools or strategies that you use with your clients that help that?

A Few Questions to Ask Yourself

Shannon: Definitely. What I usually do is I send my clients a list of questions. I actually borrowed them from Tony Robbins, who is all about building momentum. He has a whole section about momentum.

Basically, these questions are things to really jog your motivation. Okay, so one example.

"How will your whole life be greater if you truly master this area of your life now?"

Something like that, I would have my clients write down the answer and keep it in a place where they see it all the time. Hang it up in their bathroom, on their fridge, in their office. Set reminders on their phone like, "Hey, read your motivation answers." Something like that a couple of times a day.

Another question, How will your energy, happiness, joy, or intimacy explode?

Dave: I like these words. Sorry, I had to jump in there, but explode is powerful, and the previous question, master is powerful.

Shannon: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Then another one on the other side of things, If you don’t turn things around for yourself, what will you miss out on?

It's really just reaching for that higher level and staying connected to how amazing things can be. I think about it, we all have that friend who is just high on life, who's crazy motivated, everything is amazing, let's go do something. That friend is hungry for life. The more you're motivated into getting hungry for what life has in store for you, then the less you try to actually stuff yourself with food.

Dave: That’s great advice and great questions. Some of those questions could turn into, I could imagine, being very big questions. The first one, for example, about mastering this area in life, I could see that having potential for a little bit of overwhelm, because mastering healthy eating, geez, I don’t know. I don’t have it mastered, and I've been at this for a really long time.

Shannon: See, what you did there, Dave, is you jumped to this bigger, healthy eating. Right now, we're just trying to master releasing the grip that emotional eating has on you.

Dave: Yeah, so keeping it very specific and small so that it is master-able.

Shannon: Yeah, just one area of focus, and notice we haven't even talked about food yet. I've never said eat broccoli, don’t eat donuts, because it's not about that. Mastering emotional eating is one very specific, very focused point, or even, How can I master my reaction to this one trigger that I've identified?

Using "If-Then" Statements

Dave: Yeah, I totally agree. I mentioned this in one of my other podcasts. There's a really powerful concept called If-Then statements.

Shannon: Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dave: It sounds like you're familiar with it. For the listeners, an If-Then statement would be to select a situation that continually comes up where your reaction is different from the reaction you'd like to have.

An example would be, "If I eat every day at noon just because it's noon ..." That’s my If part of the statement. "If I eat at noon just because that’s what I'm trained to do, well, next time noon rolls around ...

If noon hits and I go to eat, then I will stop and instead of eating right away, take a five-minute walk around the block and then come back and decide, okay, I'm actually hungry to eat." That’s just one example of it. "

If noon hits and I go to eat just because it's scheduled time to eat, then I'll take a five-minute break, walk around the block, and decide am I actually hungry here." It sounds kind of like that’s what you're pulling out here is to take these very specific situations and say, "How can I flip this so that I can take control?"

Shannon: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah, that’s a great example. I love If-Then statements, and you're right on with those.

Dave: This sounds, Shannon, like you're taking us through a very sequential set of steps. Is there another step after this, or what does come next?

How to Take Consistent Action

Shannon: There are, and I don’t want to overwhelm. You know what I mean?

Dave: Totally.

Shannon: Even in what I've already given the audience, these are things that Meg and I spend months on with our clients, because you have to change at a very, very foundational, basic level before you can add on top of those things, because otherwise, we try to add too many things at one time, we become overwhelmed. We stop, and then we swear off whatever we were doing for months or whatever it is.

There are steps in this process after motivation, after staying motivated or finding your source of motivation. The next step after that would be taking consistent action.

Examples of consistent action could be finding non-food ways to cope with that trigger and making sure that you implement one of those non-food ways for the next five days every time you feel that trigger.

What's really exciting is when you combine this motivation which we just went over with consistent action steps, what you’ve just done there is you’ve built up momentum.

When you build up momentum, things become easier and easier and easier to do, and you get more results with less effort. Then, at that point, you're probably focusing on all the other things in life that you want to do that you haven't had the chance to focus on.

The next step after motivation would be consistent action, because by then, you’ve built up momentum and then from there, it really is an individual level, what is next, what has come up next, or where are we still having challenges.

Make Your Body Work Takeaway

Dave: Shannon, I love the fact that you sort of pumped the brakes when I was asking you about the rest of these steps, because you're right. Too much information is completely ... Well, not maybe completely useless, but it's not as helpful as some specific pieces of small steps.

Actually, that’s how I like to wrap up every episode on this podcast is what I call a Make Your Body Work takeaway, and it would be the one thing, that one activity or the one place people can start. In this case, we're talking about emotional eating or maybe decisions related to our health that are being dictated by our emotions. What would you say if you had to boil it all down? People want to get started, Chloe wants to start today. What's that one thing you'd recommend?

Shannon: I would say that very first thing is to select one thing. We talked about a lot, so Chloe may have 15 different triggers in going through what we went through. Identify one and select that one and become hyper laser-focused on that, because we want deep progress as opposed to broad progress.

Dave: Maybe to help the listeners with that actual activity ... I like that ... is identifying that one trigger. Then I liked your words there about hyper laser-focused. Can you give some more examples? We talked about emotions, we talked about time of day. What are some other common triggers that might spark people's brain thinking, "Yeah, that’s me"?

Shannon: Oh, triggers?

Dave: Yeah.

Shannon: Oh, my gosh. Okay. We work with corporate women, so 4:30 on a Friday you're packing yourself up, your inbox you have a e-mail from a client ASAP that’s needed to be done yesterday. Okay. That trigger, you just felt, "Man, I just lost control. I can no longer follow through with all the plans I had. I can't leave work on time." That, that’s a frustration trigger.

That’s huge, and that is extremely common. There are tons of triggers. Being alone at nighttime, sometimes that is a trigger that causes people to want to comfort themselves or nourish themselves or make themselves feel better.

We had one client who was a professor who every day when she got home from work, whether it was a half day, whether she didn’t get home till 8:00 p.m., she ate. That was her pattern. That was her way to unwind. There is a vast amount of triggers. For some people it's going on a road trip, just, "I'm going to eat mindlessly." Any time you're not hungry and you eat, you have to think something else is going on here.

Dave: Oh, even those examples right there are really helpful. I know when you're listening to those, I can just imagine people that are saying, "Yep, that’s me," or [inaudible 00:35:00] eat more. So helpful. Now, Shannon, if people had any questions to sort of follow up on this talk today, what's the best way for them to reach you?

Want To Reach Shannon?

Shannon: Actually, our website is currently under construction, but it should be up and running shortly. You can e-mail me, actually. I'd love to hear from anyone who is struggling with this or got excited about some of the steps that I gave. I can share my e-mail, and I can also share social media, whatever is the usual.

Dave: Yeah, sure, e-mail. I can link out to all your social media in the show notes as well. Let's do e-mail.

Shannon: Okay, cool. My e-mail is my name, Shannon, S-H-A-N-N-O-N, @wholefoodlove. Like Whole Foods, the store, minus the "s" and then add in love. That’s W-H-O-L-E F-O-O-D

Dave: Great, so Then I'll link out to your website. I know you said it's under construction but might be up shortly after this podcast goes live. For the audience, if you go again,, I'll have that link there. You also have a free giveaway, and I was wondering if you could tell us what will we get when we download it?

Shannon: Definitely. What I provided is our top five things that are keeping you from losing weight, our video training. It's interesting, because like I said, none of those ways are actually not eating enough broccoli or food-related.

It's all lifestyle things. It's mindset, it's how you view yourself, it's what you're allowing to happen in your life. All of those things affect your body's ability to feel safe enough to release excess weight. If you’ve been banging your head against the wall for a year or more, trying to lose the same weight, then it's time to take a new approach, and I think these top five things will be real eye-openers.

How you view yourself dictates what you will allow to happen in your life

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Dave: Ah, fantastic. Again, for the listeners, if you go to, I'll have a link directly to that download so you can check it out. Shannon, awesome chatting with you. Thanks so much for being here today.

Shannon: Yes, oh, this was wonderful. I'm so happy we got to shed a light on this other aspect of weight loss that a lot of people don’t think about.

Dave: Thanks again, Shannon, for being on the show today and sharing some really actionable ideas that we can use when there's negative feelings that are creeping into our life, perhaps depression or anxiety, and that’s affecting our health. Just thanks for giving us some guidance and showing us some first steps that we can use today.

To the listeners, Chloe, in particular, if you're listening, hopefully this was really helpful and hopefully, as always, you can take away that one thing and start to use it today to see a little bit of a difference.

I just encourage everyone, whether it be depression, anxiety, maybe just frustration with your progress, whatever it is that you might be struggling with right now, I just ask that you be patient, take that one baby step, give it time, work on that one baby step until you've really mastered it, and then work on something else one step at a time. Just I've seen it with my clients over and over again. That is the way to see progress, so be patient. I know it's tough, but just try your best. Be patient, one step at a time.

Next Week’s Episode

Next week, I've got a great show. It's a fun episode called What's In Your Refrigerator, where we're going to look at what's in the refrigerator of a nutritionist and why she has those foods and why you might start to change what goes into your refrigerator, so be sure to check that out.

I hope you have a really great week. Hopefully, you have a healthy week and just be really mindful about the decisions you make. What's that one thing that you can do today and tomorrow and for the rest of this week that's going to move you in your journey down the right direction to the healthier, happier you that you want to be.

Thanks again for tuning in today, and I'll see you here again next week.

Thanks for joining me today!