Why am I in such pain?

Why Am I In Such Pain? [Podcast Episode #075]

Sometimes a little pain just feels good. 

You busted your butt in the gym, and it feels like your effort is being acknowledged when your legs scream as you roll out of bed the next day. ​Any exerciser would likely agree.

But how much pain is too much. And how long should those DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) last before you have to start wondering if something else is wrong.

Today we're talking all about pain. What is really triggering your pain? And what can you do to live a more pain-free life?​

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Why Am I In Such Pain? [Full Text]

Dave: Hey, thanks so much for joining me in this episode of the Make Your Body Work Podcast. As you know, this show is all about helping you live a healthier and happier life. As I often say, I just appreciate you taking a few minutes out of your day to invest in your good health. This show is going to be no exception. I try and find the best experts that can talk about the issues that you tell me you're dealing with, so to those who wrote in this past week with questions, thanks so much.

I got some amazing questions. If there's anything that you're dealing with that you'd like addressed on the show, hey, write to me. I love hearing from you and I love the challenge of finding someone who can come on and discuss with me what you can do to fix that issue you're dealing with. Today I've got an interesting question from Anne. Let's dive right in.

Anne says, "My question is about dealing with pain after exercise. I know I should be exercising daily and I do, but I am sometimes sore for several days after my workouts. I don't think I'm overdoing it. My body takes forever to recover. Is there something that might be causing that? How can I recover faster?"

Anne, and anyone else who's dealing with pain and whether it's exercise-related or related to injury or related to something else, I've got an amazing guest today. She is all about helping people work through the causes of their pain. As you're going to hear in this interview, there's often a lot of causes of our pain that we don't understand, we wouldn't expect, and we don't notice until we take a few steps to actually allow those to be revealed so that we can deal with them. I'm really excited to introduce to you Debora Wayne.

Meet Debora Wayne

Dave:Hey, Debora, thanks so much for joining us on the show today.

Debora: I am so thrilled to be here. Thank you for having me.

Dave: Yeah, I was wondering if you could start off by telling the audience a little bit about who you are and what you do. I know you and I had a neat chat before we started rolling here about the kind of work you do, but tell the audience: What is it that your expertise is all about?

Debora: Oh, I would love to. My specialty ... First of all, I'm the founder of something called the Pain Free Living Program. My specialty is helping people who suffer from chronic pain symptoms or chronic fatigue symptoms and anxiety, depression, trauma, trauma after injury or surgery, and all kinds of issues with weight, people that have trouble keeping weight off, and emotional eating.

I help people to find the hidden reasons that they're not aware of that are contributing to the pain and the patterns that just keep showing up no matter what they try. My specialty is something called ... I have a proprietary method known as Biofield Healing. It's truly revolutionary and it helps people more rapidly release pain than the slower ways that we typically do, with pills and surgery and all kinds of supplements or just waiting and wishing, hoping it will go away.

Dave: Which is so important. I hear from people on a pretty regular basis that will say, "I want to lose weight," it's usually weight related, "and I want to exercise, but my hip or my knee or my foot or whatever it is, it's just too painful." The idea of trying to help people relieve that, it's just so important.

Debora: Absolutely, and not only that, the method helps people lose weight without trying and gravitate towards more natural foods, healthier foods. It really solves a lot of issues all in one because it works on the physical, the mental, and the emotional, and most importantly the energetic piece, that all fits together that people are not aware of. It's all working together. It's not just a body-mind connection. It's body, mind, emotions, and energy all together, and that's what... I'm trying to leave no stone unturned here.

Dave: Is that what your book's about? I was reading up on your book, and for again for the listeners, Debora has a book called Why Do I Still Hurt? Does it take a holistic approach like you talked about or is it about one specific avenue of pain?

Debora: No, it is a holistic view but not in the traditional sense. Most people, when they think holistic, they think nutrition and supplements and diet and exercise. My work in the book, it's very experiential. It takes you through some exercises that really help you go inside to discover the thoughts, the belief systems, the emotions that are actually contributing to pain, and how to find the hidden reasons, which sometimes date way back to childhood, that are actually showing up in the physical body even 20, 30, 40 years later.

The traditional medical model doesn't look at it from the same angle. So people go on like this, especially the people who've tried everything and not gotten well or not seen the change they hoped for. They're missing the specific important information that nobody out there teaches them. You won't find it at your doctor's office.

Understanding the Mind-Body Connection

Dave: I'll admit to you, Debora, the idea of tying psychology or past experience to present day physiological pain, it does sound a little bit out there, like a little bit woo-woo, but I'm such a believer and I like what you just said. For people who haven't been able to find a solution elsewhere it's kind of like: Why not try it? Why not explore a new avenue? If you've gone the traditional routes and you're still in pain, why not try something new?

Debora: Absolutely, but here's the thing. I'm so glad you said that, Dave, because I know people think it's woo-woo, but that's because it's not common knowledge yet. But there's years and years, 30 plus years of research, scientific laboratory controlled studies that show the connection between the thoughts and the emotions and how it shows up in the physical body. This is not new. We have scientists like Valerie Hunt from UCLA, Ph.D. from UCLA.

For over 25 years in a laboratory setting she's been able to repeatedly show that the field of energy and information that surrounds the body is actually where everything happens first, and then it shows up in the physical body. She developed a way to photograph this, and today you can get things like... It's called thermography. You can have a scan of your body. It will show 10 years in many cases in the field around the body where things are not right, that haven't even shown up yet in the physical.

It's a way of preventing really significant things. It can detect breast cancer 10 years before a mammogram. Now, this is because the biofield that surrounds the body is real, it is science, but it comes from physics, not biology. I think that's where the disconnect has been, so people don't know. It's just not common knowledge. It's not taught about in medical school, and yet it's very, very real. It is not woo-woo.

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Dave: Okay, you've really piqued my curiosity and I'm sure a number of listeners, as well. For the listeners, I'm going to do some research and maybe, Debora, after the show we can talk about some of the research that you talked about and link it out so that people can check it out. For the listeners, if you go to makeyourbodywork.com/75 I'll link out any of the research that kind of talks about these biofields that Debora just discussed.

Now, Debora, I'd like to get into Anne's question, and Anne wrote it and she sounds pretty stuck. She says that she likes exercising but basically, like we just talked about, feels like she's in such pain for days after a workout. She says she doesn't think she's overdoing it but it just takes forever to recover and get over this pain. When you read that, is there anything that you've seen with past clients that would say "Okay, here's a place to start in, this is maybe what's going on"?

Why Am I Experience Such Pain ?

Debora: Yes. Okay, so even just hearing her question, she likes exercise, she's in pain for days afterwards, it takes forever to recover and get over the pain. Several things may be going on. And again, I'm not playing psychic reader here. This is an educated guess, and I would need to ask her a lot more questions to hone in on her particular situation.

There's several possibilities. Number one, I would first ask her to really go inside deeply and ask herself: Does she really like exercise? If I were sitting with her working with her, I would ask her, "What are your thoughts during exercise? What were your thoughts before, during, and after exercise?"

Because what you'll find in many cases is that people say they like exercise, but they really are not thinking or feeling that while they're exercising. So they're thinking things like, "God, I can't wait 'til this is over. Oh, this is so hard..." I'm serious. The thoughts are a force as real as electricity, and they're affecting the physical body, they're affecting the outcome.

The thoughts create emotions, and the emotions are a real force just like electricity. When I sit down and work with people, I usually find that they're not consciously aware until I ask them these kinds of questions. They're not aware that they have a pattern of a certain way of thinking and feeling, and it's harming them. Because what you focus on with your thoughts and emotions, you get more of. This is the precursor to what shows up in the body.

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Now, that's one possibility and only one.

Dave: Can I ask you a quick question about that before you move on?

Debora: Yeah.

Dave: Imagine Anne or anyone else is in that situation and says, "I like exercise," and maybe they say that for social reasons or to feel congruent with what they would actually like to believe, and deep down they don't actually like exercise. What do you do with that? Because it's sort of like you hearing that saying, you know, "fake it 'til you make it," and some people would say that, just keep telling yourself you love exercise and one day you will. What's the actual approach?

Finding the Right Exercise for You

Debora: Well, with a person like that I suggest that they experiment with many different forms of exercising and moving your body, as you know, Dave. What I find a lot of people do is they decide: "I'm going to run and I'm going to run five miles a day," and they are miserable, they hate running, it hurts. But then if you get them into a different form of exercise that actually resonates with them, they start to enjoy it again. People have to build up. Sometimes we get very competitive, even with ourselves.

I would say that it's really imperative that you find something that works for you, and not try to be someone else, not try to lift weights 'til you keel over, but work up. Work up to where you're feeling good a little at a time, and it makes you want to go back and do more.

But if you're forcing yourself, mentally or physically, and you really aren't enjoying it, you're going to quit eventually. Most people will just quit. That's why diets don't work. That's why all these New Year's resolutions don't work, because they're forced. They're not organic, they're not in resonance with the person's true self.

Dave: I completely agree. Quite analogous to that, I was reading a book that was ... An excerpt from this book was talking about the practice of journaling, and that's something I've tried off and on throughout my life, to journal. I think it would be such a neat habit to create. But just like you just talked about with exercise, I would dive all in and journal for three days and then oh, you know, get kind of tired of it and eventually two weeks later I'm not journaling at all.

The author of this book, he said, "Instead of trying to write a page or two pages, write just enough to the point where you really are getting into it and really want to write more, and then stop." It sounds counterintuitive, he said, but if you do that, the next day ... Obviously you can see where he's going with this. The next day you're going to be excited to do it. As you were speaking I just thought exactly the same with exercise. Just do a little bit until you're excited to go back.

Debora: Exactly, and you know there's a saying in the yoga community, that "Practice yoga today with just as much energy, so that you will want to practice it again tomorrow." But most people go in and they're like, "I'm going to work hard today. I'm really going to get big results today," and then they're exhausted the next day and they don't want to go back.

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Dave: Yeah.

Debora: Yeah.

Dave: I love that advice, your advice of baby steps into exercise and looking for different modalities or different ways to express yourself in exercise. Couldn't agree more. I interrupted you. You kind of gave step number one or potential strategy number one. What would you say next?

How Your Body Stores Trauma

Debora: Okay, so this is a big key here. The body stores trauma, emotional trauma, from your entire life. Way back from when you were teeny tiny and did not even understand what was going on around you. When you start moving the body, it starts releasing the stored up emotional pain and trauma.

Many people go to exercise with the greatest of intentions, and then all this pain starts to come up and they have no idea what it's about. I suspect this may be happening with this particular person, that it's bringing up and moving out the stuck energy, the stuck information the body has been trying to process, but it's actually gotten stuck in the body.

Many, many people experience this and they don't realize that again, the body is an expression of the consciousness. It's a storehouse of everything that's happened to you until you learn the proper methods that help you release emotions and release the negative thinking from the body.

That's, again, why exercise is so important, but it's a real paradox. If you're someone who suppresses and represses emotions particularly, it will literally be stored in your body. It's the same reason why sometimes people go to get a massage and it's so painful.

They've actually built body armor as a way to protect the vulnerable side that we all have, so we don't get hurt. Then you start moving that, either with physical touch or the same thing happens with exercise. It starts to move it. And it isn't fun at first. It is not fun.

Dave: I can relate to that. You're massage example, I've definitely been there before. My question, and I imagine some of the listeners are thinking this as well: If exercise or physical touch starts to release some of this trauma or this stored emotional energy, is that a way to actually deal with it? Like eventually Anne, for example, will that pain go away or does it have to be dealt with in a different way first?

Debora: It's actually a very powerful way to release it. The problem with it is, though, is that most people will stop because they get afraid of the pain that's coming up. They don't understand it with their logical mind and they don't trust the body's wisdom, and they've never learned to trust that the body really knows how to heal itself. They've learned, like our society teaches, to find someone outside of themselves, to take something for it, to drug it out or cut it out. What they do is they end up making it worse because they resist it.

Halfway through they'll either stop the process, they'll get frightened of it and they will just stop halfway. They won't go back to the exercise or they won't go deep enough. Until they find someone ... That's why I do the work that I do, because when you find a safe environment with someone who really understands what's going on and can take you all the way through, you find out that this can release actually very quickly, but most people stop the process way too soon and that's why it never moves out.

Dave: It's so interesting to hear you speak because it's just like weight loss. Some people that I meet will talk about being overweight, and say they're 45 years old. That could be 40 plus years of building up to that weight, and it's almost as if their mindset is "I want to release this weight in the next four weeks."

Debora: I know!

Dave: And if it doesn't happen in a week, then "Okay, this obviously isn't working so I'm going to go back to what I was doing." But just like you were speaking, it could be years, decades of this built-up trauma. It might take a little bit of work to get rid of it.

How Can Biofield Healing Help You?

Debora: Well, here's, again, what's so exciting about the work I do with Biofield Healing, is that there's a method now that can help you more rapidly release these patterns and the weight and the pain and the stored-up trauma, much faster than people are aware of.

It doesn't have to take years and you don't have to spend 10 years in talk therapy, talking about it. It doesn't have to take willpower or discipline, but it isn't a magic wand for most people. I agree with you. I find most people, they spend 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 years, right, repeating something, making the same choices, and created these habit patterns and then they want you to fix them overnight.

Really it takes a person being willing to look at themselves and see what their part in it is, and become willing to say, "Oh, I'm not going to do that anymore." The beauty of Biofield Healing, though, is that they don't have to use so much willpower. They need to make a decision, yes, and be open to trying something new. But it helps people get in alignment with their true self.

Nobody comes into the world out of alignment. They come in and follow their nature. Babies know when they're upset, they know when they're happy, they don't have any voice in their head going "Oh, I shouldn't cry in public. I'll look foolish." They just do whatever they feel. That's why they're free.

They know when they're hungry, they know when they're tired, and they follow their nature. But human beings, as they get older and smarter, right, they actually unlearn and disconnect from their true nature, and that's where the problems come in.

Dave: Yeah. Particularly as you're speaking there I'm thinking about food is that, I've talked about this on my show before, when I see my little niece and nephew at dinnertime, when they're done eating, they're done eating. It's not a question of whether they like it or not. They're full, they're done.

Debora: And you see people try to force children to eat more or eat differently. It's really interesting because children do know. They totally trust their gut, literally. They trust the body's wisdom. The adults think themselves out of the wisdom. You don't see animals, you don't see anything in nature doing this. Only the wise ones.

Dave: Air quotes, "wise ones".

Debora: Yes.

Learn to Get Quiet and Listen

Dave: Debora, practically speaking, when we spoke about moving the body and that physical touch potentially releasing some of the pain over time ... When we're talking about using this baby analogy and kind of getting back to our roots, how does that practically play out or how can someone get closer to that state?

Debora: Well, there's many ways, but what I love to teach people right off the bat is taking time each day to get quiet, sit still, and learn to develop a relationship with your body and your inner self. In other words, learning to listen quietly because all the answers really are inside of us.

When you start to pay attention, your body will tell you what it needs. The body, as you know, changes every single day and is affected by so many things: what we eat, who we're with, the environment we live in, the temperature, the cell phones. I mean, all kinds of factors.

Every day the body's different and it needs our attention. If you want to learn to change and become more sensitive to your inner needs and your outer needs, you have to get quiet. Most people are very, very busy and keep themselves super distracted.

I know many of my clients, when they first come to me they tell me, "Oh, I keep the TV or the radio on all day in the background." They have noise in the background all day long, never even two minutes of quiet. I teach people a breathing technique very quickly to help them slow down, get quiet, and really listen inside.

Dave: Okay, can you share? Is this something that we can do on the podcast here?

Debora: We can.

Dave: All right.

A Breathing Technique for You to Try

Debora: You only want to do this when you're in a safe place. You never want to do this if you're driving or operating equipment because you can very quickly, especially if you're not used to something like this, you can get lightheaded, and you're going to get a lot of oxygen to your brain. It can feel exhilarating but you want to be in safe place sitting down. If you put your right hand on your low belly and your left hand on your heart, on your chest.

The first breath, just take a deep breath in like you normally would. Most people, the left hand will move. The chest will expand. But what I want you to do is breathe into the right hand only, into the belly, the low belly below the navel.

I want you to make that hand and that part of your body expand. It can take some practice, Dave. It can feel really awkward at first. But I want you to relax all the muscles in your low belly, and now begin to breathe in through the low belly only, so the right hand moves out and the left hand just stays right where it is.

Then as you exhale, just squeeze the navel slowly into the spine, and you're exhaling out the nose. In and out the nose only. Again, relax the low belly and slowly inhale through the nose just moving the low belly. Hold your breath at the top.

Then slowly begin to exhale a little at a time, squeezing the air out as you press the navel into the spine. A little at a time. One more time relax the muscles in the belly, begin to breathe in deeply long, slow, and deep. Fill up so much and when you're full, sip in a little bit more and hold.

Then slowly, slowly, ever so slowly squeezing the navel into the spine and releasing the low belly and the breath, like a balloon that deflates. Push every last little bit of air out and hold. Now relax your hands, relax and go back and take in a normal breath.

A regular, normal breath at a normal pace, all the way in and out. And again, just another regular breath in and out. Breathing like this, Dave, 10 rounds. 10 rounds of breath like this has so many benefits. Don't you already feel that?

Dave: Look, I feel unbelievably relaxed but also it's interesting, I notice a kink that I have in my back, and I didn't notice it before.

Debora: Exactly. Dave, this is what's so exciting. One simple thing you can do anywhere, anytime and it's 100% free, right, and no one will even know. You will find the body will tell you exactly where it needs your attention. It will bring feelings right up the surface.

Sometimes I sit down and do this, Dave, and I have no idea why, but in two minutes I'm crying and I had no idea that I was storing some kind of painful emotion, which eventually would cause me some kind of physical symptom, and it releases it. It will bring up the thoughts that are on your mind and move them out, and it will quiet the mind. Didn't you find your whole mind getting quieter?

Dave: Oh, certainly. Debora, I'm so excited. A quick story, I was ... Just two days ago I was out for a walk with a good friend of mine, and we were walking along the coast and all of a sudden he had to make a mad dash to a washroom because he was going to experience a bowel movement. We started talking about his digestive issues and he said, "Oh, this happens to me all the time." I asked him, I said, "When did this start?"

Because I've known him for 20 years and I don't remember him saying this 20 years ago, and he said, "Oh, I don't know." Had no clue when it started. Something like we just practiced here ... I imagine people with physical aches ... Like I mentioned, I actually have a tweak in my back I'm going to work out after this podcast. But I could see digestive, I could see emotional, I could see all sorts of things coming to the surface.

Debora: Absolutely. In fact, this exercise relaxes something called the vagus nerve, which is related to digestion and elimination. Dave, this is an amazing thing for your friend to start to practice immediately. I grew up with a lot of those issues myself and there's nothing that fixes me better than this. I really can tell a difference, even if I miss a week or so of practicing the breathing.

In yoga they say it stimulates the rest and digest. It's really affecting the entire body: the nervous system, the immune system. People with insomnia really benefit from this because a lot of times the fatigue actually comes from anxiety, which comes from thinking, and this will quiet all of that down. In fact, it's physiologically impossible to have anxiety and do this deep breathing at the same time.

Dave: I completely agree. I completely agree. You said you might get lightheaded, and when I record my podcast I sit on an exercise ball. It's funny because I had my hands where you told me to place them, and I could feel it. I felt very light, not necessarily lightheaded but very light, and I had my eyes closed and sort of lost spacial awareness even. I had to stop for a second, hold on to the table because it really does just sort of release all of the inputs that are constantly sort of bombarding us all day.

Debora: Absolutely, and if you are hooked up to a brainwave machine you would see, if you practiced this, you'll start to go into deeper brainwave states. These are like meditative states. That's how you train the body to relax, and that's how you train the mind, and the mind follows the breath. The body follows the breath. The breath becomes the guide. It's like a horse and buggy but the horse has decided to take you for a ride. Well, you're taking the reins back when you do this.

Why This Breathing Exercise Works

Dave: I love that. I love that. This is so applicable like for Anne again, I go back to her question. She talks about this pain associated with exercise. I think that we've sort of covered the fact that don't stop exercise, maybe reevaluate the type or the intensity or how you approach it, and then take time to actually listen to your body and see just what it's naturally telling you. You said you do this or have your clients do this daily.

Debora: Daily. In fact, if they're really in a lot of pain I ask them to do it three times a day. First thing in the morning, any time they feel stressed or at least once midday, and before bed, because it will release fatigue and pain from the body and help people sleep better. And psychologically it has an effect. I'm sorry, is it Anne that wrote the...

Dave: Anne. Anne, yeah.

Debora: For Anne, she should do this right after she exercises, and really tune in to what she notices coming up because she might find that ... I suspect she may not be stretching out properly. There could be a number of factors, but she will know if she sits still and does the breathing, she will either release where she's holding tension ... Because many people, they're not aware that they're actually holding tension in certain parts of their body, and those areas start to hurt. But they're just unconscious that they put the tension in their neck or their shoulders or their back. This will teach them very quickly what they're doing.

Dave: I like the fact that it's very proactive, as well. I use that example with my friend, but if he, for example, had stopped and done something like this 10 years ago, there's a high likelihood that he could've changed his habits to avoid being in the place he is right now. Same goes for injury. You can see sort of where it's coming on. You talked about stretching after exercise. If you stop and pay attention to your body, our body is pretty good at giving us little cues as to what it needs.

Remember, Your Pain is a Message

Debora: That's the truth. It's always, always talking to us, but what happens is is most people do not listen. They don't take it seriously, they have a "get over it" attitude or "take something for it" attitude, and what they're really doing is they're suppressing a symptom that's trying to teach them something.

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The core of all my work is the fact that every pain that you experience is a message and something your body tries to teach you, and it's your friend, it's not your enemy. What most people do is they try to treat the symptom only, get rid of it so they can get on with what they want to do, and over time the symptoms get worse and worse and worse until there's a chronic condition. We want to learn to not just pay attention but welcome it, and learn to learn from it, listen to it daily, and welcome it as the greatest gift that we've been given.

Dave: That right there, if no one else listens to anything in this podcast, I feel like that's such a golden nugget. I know people who, again talking about exercise pain, on a regular basis will take a Tylenol or an aspirin or Advil or whatever just to constantly be dealing with that pain. What you said, I love what you just said there. Instead of trying to deal with it or cover it up or shut it up, welcome it. It's our body talking to us.

Debora: It is, but people think that's silly or woo-woo or weird. But see, that's crazy. That is crazy.

Dave: Yeah.

Debora: What's crazy is that we have completely disconnected from the wisdom, the God-given wisdom. You have the most sophisticated computer system. You live there in it. It's like having the highest Tesla car but you just don't know how to work it. You don't know how to operate it or you don't have a good relationship with it, and yet it's supposed to carry us through our whole life. So we need to be a little bit more attentive and friendly towards it and learn from it, not try to overpower it.

Dave: Oh, I love that.

Debora: I wanted to say also to your friend or anyone else who's been suffering a long time, even if the pattern's been there a long time there are still a lot of natural ways to release the pain. Because this is, again, what I teach. I don't have obviously time today to teach everything that I would like to share with all your listeners, but in my Pain Free Living Program I talk about this constantly.

Everything is energy. Including your pain and your symptoms, and we know that energy is changeable. It's constantly changing. It's not permanent. That means that whatever pain, whatever pattern, however long you've had it, it can change.

So you're not stuck with a condition, and what people do is they accept that they're stuck, that it's permanent and they're going to have to live with this or cope with this the rest of their lives, and they cave in and they start taking ... I see so many people who come to me taking all kinds of really heavy drugs, and it ruins their life. Most of the people I work with really do get pain free, and they end up off their drugs. It's remarkable but it's true.

Dave: That's such an encouraging message. I kind of like how we've come full circle because we talked about ... When we were talking about exercise, exploring, figuring out what works for you, and we kind of have come full circle, like I said, back to the idea of nothing's fixed. It takes exploration. Unfortunately, that is the stumbling block for many of us, is that exploration is work and it takes time and it's not going to be a instant solution in most cases. But it does lead to change.

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Debora: Absolutely it does, and you're worth it. See, that's the thing. You're worth it. You're worth finding out and learning from your body and finding out what it needs. To dismiss the information and the wisdom that's going on inside you right now ... I mean, you may need someone to help you obviously. I find a lot of people try to do it on their own, they try to figure it out.

They spend 40 years, 50 years, 60 years trying to figure it out on their own. I would say if your car broke by the side of the road, you wouldn't try to rebuild your engine. You would call a mechanic. So the same thing here. If your body isn't working properly and you're not an expert in that area, find someone that can help you and speed up that process. Don't just sit and accept that this is an inevitable situation. That's miserable.

Make Your Body Work Takeaway

Dave: That message of "You're worth it" ... You got a lot of life to be lived still, so fix it now, fix it now. Debora, I like to wrap up this show with what I call a Make Your Body Work Takeaway, and that's just one action step. I know we talked a lot about many different concepts, but for someone like Anne who is facing chronic pain, what's the one thing that you would ask them to start doing today that could help?

Debora: I would ask Anne to sit down and make a list of everything and everyone in her life that she feels causes her pain of any kind. And really be rigorously honest about that. Everything and anything that she does on a daily basis or people that she's in contact with or works with or lives with, who and what is causing her pain and then find an expert that can help her discover how this is affecting her, physically, mentally, emotionally, and learn the tools to change this, to release this, to remove the pains from her life.

Dave: It's interesting advice because it goes back to self-awareness. I've never done a list like that personally, but I was just thinking as you were speaking there what would be on my list, and I imagine there'd be a lot of things, if myself or any of the listeners spent some time at it, that we would've had no clue, until we actually sat down to do it, that caused pain.

Debora: Exactly. We're not taught to examine ourselves. I hear it all the time. "Oh, I just want to stay positive and think positively about the future." But the truth is when we don't examine what's really going on and we try to gloss over the "pains", quote-unquote, they don't go away just typically by themselves.

It's avoiding, and whatever you suppress, repress, deny, avoid, it will just continue to grow until you get the proper methods for seeing what it's doing for you and learning ... Then it will just dissolve on its own once you see what it's doing for you and find out "Oh, I have choice about this, and now I can do this or this to alleviate this pain symptom." There's so many choices but people just get locked into their habit patterns, we all do it, and they go unconscious.

Dave: Yeah.

Debora: Then it just becomes autopilot living.

Dave: I like how you said we all do it, because I'm guilty of that, as well. Until there's something that, whether it's pain or something happens in life, that causes us to stop, causes me to stop and say, "Hey, wait a second. I got to reevaluate kind of how I'm treating myself."

Debora: Exactly, and that's why I say the pain is your friend. Don't try to suppress it. Listen to it. Become friends with it. Or get the help you need so that you can find out what it's trying to do for you, because it's trying to do something positive for you. You don't have to suffer and live in pain the rest of your life. You don't.

How to Connect With Debora

Dave: Debora, if any of the listeners want to follow up with you or learn more about Biofield Healing, about how to take some steps to actually proactively heal their pain, where can they contact you?

Debora: They may go to www.painfreelivingprogram.com. At the painfreelivingprogram.com website you will also find a free gift waiting for you, which is an MP3 that you can instantly download to any device, and it's the first class from my Pain Free Living Program, where you'll get more of this information on the hidden reasons for pain and suffering and patterns of all types. It will apply to any situation, any problem, any type of pain.

It will start to teach you more of how to get down to the hidden root cause and how to remove it, and you'll experience an actual Biofield Healing session there. It also comes with an accompanying e-workbook that will help you really see in black and white what might be going on when you answer the questions in the workbook. So it's a deep dive into the work, and lots of people get major healing and results just from this free gift.

Dave: Yeah, I'm excited to share that with the audience and I have it actually up right now right in front of me. I'll put a link to the ... Because to get the actual free download there's a specific link to follow, so for the listeners, if you go to makeyourbodywork.com/75, I'll have a link that goes directly there and you can grab your copy and check it out today. Debora, thanks so much for being on the show today. It was really helpful and hopefully, Anne, if you're listening, you have some practical steps that you can start to use to put into your life to remove some of that pain. Debora, thanks again for being here.

Debora: Thank you for having me. It was wonderful to be with you today. Thank you.

Dave: Thanks again, Debora, for joining us on this episode and for sharing some really great wisdom, some good insights not only into how to deal with our pain, whether it's related to exercise or otherwise, but to also be able to identify the source of our pain and start to think about: Well, why is our body actually feeling the way that it is? Thanks so much for joining us and sharing your insights. Really appreciate it.

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Next Week’s Episode

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I've got a great guest that's going to share some really amazing motivational ideas, some strategies, and just some things that we can all use to kind of reevaluate how we look at ourselves and how we look at others. Be sure to come back next week. You won't want to miss this episode. And before you go, I do have one favor to ask, as I've asked a few times before, is if you can go to makeyourbodywork.com/itunes, and that'll just take you over to the show in the iTunes Store.

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